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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:21:07 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: "Len" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? The fact that they are not facts. Oh well in that case: good luck with your education. Regards, Len. Strong return argument Len. There is nothing to return arguments on Jim I agree. What you presented are not fact. Sigh. Fact: Reagan was accidentally in office when a true leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. Fact: It was Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and Perestrojka Fact: It was Gorbatsjow who caused things to happen. Reagan-fans tend to place the emphasis on Reagan but please, gimme a break Gorbatsjow was the only one capable of setting things in motion. Fact: Reagan started serious overspending to please the campaign supporting industries (Star Wars). Fact: simultaneously: large tax reduction that would (in his advisors dreams) would deminish the deficit. "Supply side economics", remember? AKA Voodoo economics. Fact: the remaining large deficit still exists and the rich became richer. Fact: The rep's won't raise taxes Fact/deduction: therefore the democrats wil have to raise taxes to lessen the risk of a totally bankrupted american economy. Fact: By devaluation of the dollar the whole world pays for the expensive evangelical risk-game of mr Bush. (excuse me for adding a biased term in the end of the last sentence) Regards, Len. Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. |
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Len wrote:
That mirror works both ways, Len. I'm afraid you misunderstand what's going on over here. It's not about compassion, or lack of it, it's about the thieving forced redistribution of wealth and real freedoms. We have had our share of incompetent leadership; Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc., but we also have had true world leaders like Reagan. Our once great Democrat party is no more, having been hijacked by radical socialists and assorted special interests. Suspect you have your share of wackos too (judging from the Aruba fiasco). In my post I admmitted up front there are things to be seriously improved in Europe. Why can't you? The US saved your collective asses a few year back and many of us find europeans ungrateful hypocrites today, unwilling to payback. Do you think lendlease will EVER be repaid? Further, your governments are engaging in socialist madness, a concept freedom loving Americans find an abomination. Capitalism works best with controlled responsible government. But you asked what was wrong with America. Well, we currently have open borders. Too many illegal aliens are pouring into the US because it offers the best economic opportunity in the world and free medical care for illegals. We also have too many Looney Lefters, but they are held in check and given no real say in things (however, they do bitch a lot). We do have a great many more freedoms than you enjoy. Are you serious in calling Reagan a competent leader? In my view he was accidentally in office when a true leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. What would or better could Reagan have achieved without Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and Perestrojka? Furthermore he is the one that started serious overspending to please the industry (Star Wars). He spent that much that democrats wil have to raise taxes (cause the reps won't) so their and you children will have a lesser debt. What is actually wrong with this series of facts? Please stick to this series.... History will record Reagan as the greatest leader in his time. We ALL respect Gorby, but unfortunately, history will record his administration form of communism as failures. -- Skipper |
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Len wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? Gorby spoke in lindsborg today. He does not agree with your Reagan conclusions. -- Skipper |
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Well said Len. I think you may have sent Snippy in search of his bottle. If you had to chose between visiting with Gorby or Len today, which would you chose? -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:57:50 +0000, NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. If there are, you aren't going to like the changes. After Nixon, the Republican Party, and conservatism in general, were hurting, badly. Reagan revitalized the party, and the movement, almost single-handed. Bush is a disaster for both of those concerns. The only thing positive for the Republicans, as it stands now, is the opposition is in such disarray. It's possible for the Democrats to get organized, but it will be impossible for the Republicans to run from Bush's disastrous legacy. And, just think, he still has three years to find bottom. |
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Len wrote:
Fact: Reagan was accidentally in office when a true leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. Not fact, but a barking dog's Looney Left *opinion*. Fact: It was Gorbatsjow who caused things to happen. Reagan-fans tend to place the emphasis on Reagan but please, gimme a break Gorbatsjow was the only one capable of setting things in motion. More Leftist lunacy. Fact: Reagan started serious overspending to please the campaign supporting industries (Star Wars). That "overspending" brought the Cold War to an end. The Soviet Union came to the realization that they could no longer to compete. Have you seen those rusting hulks in their harbors and airports? Fact: simultaneously: large tax reduction that would (in his advisors dreams) would deminish the deficit. "Supply side economics", remember? You must be a believer in Keynesian economics. You'd be better served to read the brilliant works of Milton Friedman, recipient of the 1976 Nobel Prize for economic science. AKA Voodoo economics. You must be a believer in the economics of liberal stagflation. Fact: the remaining large deficit still exists and the rich became richer. The rich always become richer...it's a law of nature, like death and taxes. -- Skipper |
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Hi Len,
You must be really happy to live somewhere where it doesn't matter what you think. I know I am. |
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Goooooooodmorning America.....
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:03:42 -0500, Skipper wrote: The US saved your collective asses a few year back and many of us find europeans ungrateful hypocrites today, unwilling to payback. When America finally decided to enter the war it wasn't to save my ass, or my parents' asses. America was even a bit slow to realize it would be confronted with what I would call an evil empire.... So don't blah blah me with "I saved your ass". Did you even participate? As what? Skipper, don't you see how ridiculous you sound when you say america "owns" europe cause of ww2? But let's talk "Skipperian": You are being repaid by the present dollar/euro ratio. Further, your governments are engaging in socialist madness, a concept freedom loving Americans find an abomination. Gimme facts... this is just an opinion, imo based on ignorance. There are very few socialists left since eastern europe was liberated, and I do applaud to that. The discussion has changed, dear skipper, and is about what are governemnt tasks, how to organize them and what are not. But that is a discussion filled with nuances and the need to really think and give real arguments. I get the impression you aren't equipped for that kind of discussion. I am still in doubt if you could but just wouldn't participate or if you lack the ability alltogether. Capitalism works best with controlled responsible government. Agreed, but it's all about the measure of control the government maintains. I for one see things you can't leave to the market cause they have too much connection with bare sustenance. Energy, Environment, Peacekeeping (are you by any chance an NRA-adept too?) But you asked what was wrong with America. Well, we currently have open borders. Too many illegal aliens are pouring into the US because it offers the best economic opportunity in the world and free medical care for illegals. A sound policy in helping these countries to develop is what I call "the rich worlds burdon". But the us sticks to tariffs, aiding criminal dictators to keep stability and so on. We also have too many Looney Lefters, but they are held in check and given no real say in things (however, they do bitch a lot). We do have a great many more freedoms than you enjoy. Oh I know about your "freedom" to buy arms, to pollute, to ignore suffering in cities, to ignore people dieing in the street cause they can't afford medical care, and all the time you're free to say anyone can become a Bill Gates. Your freedom to start wars unilaterally, to get a grip on oil, to lock people up without trial, to tell other parts of the world what to do. And when people don't THANK you for it and take over your "philosophy" you're offended..... Man, how dumb can you get... History will record Reagan as the greatest leader in his time. We ALL respect Gorby, but unfortunately, history will record his administration form of communism as failures. Dream on... |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:06:15 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Len wrote: But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? Gorby spoke in lindsborg today. He does not agree with your Reagan conclusions. I predicted and explained that in a previous message. Grobatsjow is a civilised, well mannered man. Regards, Len. |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:08:00 GMT, "JAS" wrote:
Hi Len, You must be really happy to live somewhere where it doesn't matter what you think. I know I am. I think living in the free world is not the same as having to speak rep talk; be xenophobic; just worry about your own well being and call any other initiative socialist madness; just deny any sign of negative consequences of your behaviour; etc etc. Regards, Len. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. (Yawn) Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question. But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary to go on.... These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts. You can look 'm up.... I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii) What is a fact? Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov. Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it did. I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is. The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and become friends with the great world leader". My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I guess.... .... |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:19:59 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Not fact, but a barking dog's Looney Left *opinion*. Now that is a strong argument More Leftist lunacy. Now that is a strong argument That "overspending" brought the Cold War to an end. The Soviet Union came to the realization that they could no longer to compete. Have you seen those rusting hulks in their harbors and airports? You extensively overestimate the us influence here (a frightening lot of americans have that tendency as I have noticed). Obviously the system of planned economy was flawed. My father had commercial connections with russia and one time he returned from a business trip with a marvellous story. A director of a screwdriver-factory had become hero of the USSR cause he had met the tasks he was given: process x tonnes of steel and y tonnes of plastic in 1 year time. He had succeeded by producing screwdrivers of 7 feet long..... Now, do you really think the russians needed Reagan and his ridiculous star wars plans to see they had to alter things badly? You must be a believer in Keynesian economics. You'd be better served to read the brilliant works of Milton Friedman, recipient of the 1976 Nobel Prize for economic science. It's done before, using a neutral scientists name to cover ones own scemes. And could you elaborate on the brilliancy of Friedmans work yourself? You must be a believer in the economics of liberal stagflation. All I say is when you spend money, you will have to collect it, not push the debt forward to next generations, that's pure theft. The rich always become richer...it's a law of nature, like death and taxes. When there's people thinking like you pulling the strings, you're probably right. But that doesn't alter the fact that it is a disappointingly low standard in civilisation, particularly when people start to treat it like a given certainty. |
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Gorby was definitely a unique leader with outstanding vision, especially
when you consider Russian history. "Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. (Yawn) Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question. But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary to go on.... These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts. You can look 'm up.... I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii) What is a fact? Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov. Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it did. I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is. The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and become friends with the great world leader". My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I guess.... .... |
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NOYB,
I hope you are correct, but I think Bush will be remembered in a similar fashion as Carter, a well intentioned extremely ineffective leader. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. The liebrals would have preferred the epitome of inconpetence Jimmy Carter to have remained in office. |
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. The liebrals would have preferred the epitome of inconpetence Jimmy Carter to have remained in office. Oh, Carter left his mark alright! We have the current situtation in Iran to thank Carter for. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. (Yawn) Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question. But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary to go on.... These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts. You can look 'm up.... I did. They are not *facts* but how you want to interpret the events during those years. Not once did I flame you during our brief exchange. You did, yet had the gall to previously call us on the carpet for our behavior. Not nice Lenny. |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:16:48 +0000, NOYB wrote:
Oh, Carter left his mark alright! We have the current situtation in Iran to thank Carter for. LOL With all of Bush's talk about democracy blooming in the middle east, perhaps, the Iranians remember when they were once a democracy. http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/1953coup.html The seeds of anti-American sentiment were sown way before Carter ever entered the picture. Also, don't forget Reagan's duplicity arming both sides in the Iran-Iraq War. Remember Iran Contra? When it comes to problems with Iran, Carter's ineffectiveness is way down the list of causes. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:06:15 -0500, Skipper wrote: Len wrote: But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? Gorby spoke in lindsborg today. He does not agree with your Reagan conclusions. I predicted and explained that in a previous message. Grobatsjow is a civilised, well mannered man. Regards, Len. Seeing that you are a fan of Socialist governments, why do your opinions of Gorbi not surprise me. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. (Yawn) Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question. But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary to go on.... These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts. You can look 'm up.... I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii) What is a fact? Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov. Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it did. I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is. The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and become friends with the great world leader". My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I guess.... .... You want facts? Fact: Reagan inherited an economy from Carter with double digit inflation, double digit interest rates and gas shortages. Fact: Ronald Reagan's tax cuts resulted in a financial boom with government revenue substantially increasing during his 2 terms. Fact: Reagan cut federal spending as a share of the GDP almost 1% during his 2 terms. Fact: Reagan is the only president in the last forty years to cut inflation-adjusted non-defense outlays, which fell by 9.7 percent during his first term. Fact: Reagan cut the budget of 8 agencies out of 15 during his first term and the budget of 10 out of 15 during his second term. Fact: Reagan brought the USSR to its feet (financially) with them trying to compete with our Strategic Defense Initiative and a continued space program. This was one factor in bringing out the collapse of the USSR. Fact: Reagan was one of the most popular US Presidents in history, getting 525 of 538 electoral votes and 59% of the popular votes in the 1984 election. How about 'dem apples Len? And all done without an attack on you or an insult to you. Now come back once you learn to play nice. |
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"P. Fritz" wrote:
The liebrals would have preferred the epitome of inconpetence Jimmy Carter to have remained in office. Anyone remember what Carter's approval rating was among Dumbocrats when he left office? Anyone know what that rating was among real Americans with *traditional* values? -- Skipper |
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Len wrote:
Goooooooodmorning America..... Skipper wrote: The US saved your collective asses a few year back and many of us find europeans ungrateful hypocrites today, unwilling to payback. When America finally decided to enter the war it wasn't to save my ass, or my parents' asses. America was even a bit slow to realize it As previously stated, many Europeans are ungrateful hypocrites. Skipper, don't you see how ridiculous you sound when you say america "owns" europe cause of ww2? Where did I state America owns europe? Are you fabricating here? are you by any chance an NRA-adept too? No, I'm not currently a member of the NRA. I let my membership lapse years ago. However, I do have the freedom to shoot and have a pretty good collection of black powder and smokeless firearms, as well as shot and metal cartridge reloading equipment. We may well go out this afternoon for a couple rounds of sporting clays. ...and you? We also have too many Looney Lefters, but they are held in check and given no real say in things (however, they do bitch a lot). We do have a great many more freedoms than you enjoy. Oh I know about your "freedom" to buy arms, to pollute, to ignore suffering in cities, to ignore people dieing in the street cause they can't afford medical care, and all the time you're free to say anyone can become a Bill Gates. Oh, I bet you do. You're a very "knowing" guy. Your freedom to start wars unilaterally, to get a grip on oil, to lock people up without trial, to tell other parts of the world what to do. And when people don't THANK you for it and take over your "philosophy" you're offended..... Man, how dumb can you get... Yep, we're a pretty dumb lot. BTW, fueled up at $2.04 gallon this morning. What's a brilliant fellow like you paying? History will record Reagan as the greatest leader in his time. We ALL respect Gorby, but unfortunately, history will record his administration and form of communism as failures. Dream on... Are you a realist or a Looney Lefter? -- Skipper |
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Len wrote:
*JimH*" wrote: Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. (Yawn) Hey, you Looney Lefters should try to stay awake in class. Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question. But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary to go on.... Jim has his head screwed on pretty tight. You...well let's just say the head is.... These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts. You can look 'm up.... Most of your "facts" are pure fiction...or as we say over here, "money talks, bull**** walks." Enjoy your walk, my friend. -- Skipper |
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*JimH* wrote:
You want facts? Fact: Reagan inherited an economy from Carter with double digit inflation, double digit interest rates and gas shortages. Fact: Ronald Reagan's tax cuts resulted in a financial boom with government revenue substantially increasing during his 2 terms. Fact: Reagan cut federal spending as a share of the GDP almost 1% during his 2 terms. Fact: Reagan is the only president in the last forty years to cut inflation-adjusted non-defense outlays, which fell by 9.7 percent during his first term. Fact: Reagan cut the budget of 8 agencies out of 15 during his first term and the budget of 10 out of 15 during his second term. Fact: Reagan brought the USSR to its feet (financially) with them trying to compete with our Strategic Defense Initiative and a continued space program. This was one factor in bringing out the collapse of the USSR. Fact: Reagan was one of the most popular US Presidents in history, getting 525 of 538 electoral votes and 59% of the popular votes in the 1984 election. How about 'dem apples Len? Job well done! -- Skipper |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:30:04 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:
Not once did I flame you during our brief exchange. You did, yet had the gall to previously call us on the carpet for our behavior. Not nice Lenny. Well, i don't think saying one act's like a boring child when the same statement is repeatedly posed is much different from saying looney lefts or bull**** when one has made a serious remark. You can't blame me for seeing that as the normal level of "intensity" in this group. What you can say is I don't keep books with what everybody individually has been saying but I think that is a bit too much to ask. But as you're hurt that easily, please accept my apologies... |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:30:04 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: Not once did I flame you during our brief exchange. You did, yet had the gall to previously call us on the carpet for our behavior. Not nice Lenny. Well, i don't think saying one act's like a boring child when the same statement is repeatedly posed is much different from saying looney lefts or bull**** when one has made a serious remark. You can't blame me for seeing that as the normal level of "intensity" in this group. What you can say is I don't keep books with what everybody individually has been saying but I think that is a bit too much to ask. But as you're hurt that easily, please accept my apologies... Len, I do not think that a lot of the Americans on this newsgroup can comprehend what an "Ugly American" really is. They look into the mirror and only see a reflection of what they want to see. Jim |
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Len" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:30:04 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: Not once did I flame you during our brief exchange. You did, yet had the gall to previously call us on the carpet for our behavior. Not nice Lenny. Well, i don't think saying one act's like a boring child when the same statement is repeatedly posed is much different from saying looney lefts or bull**** when one has made a serious remark. You can't blame me for seeing that as the normal level of "intensity" in this group. What you can say is I don't keep books with what everybody individually has been saying but I think that is a bit too much to ask. But as you're hurt that easily, please accept my apologies... Len, I do not think that a lot of the Americans on this newsgroup can comprehend what an "Ugly American" really is. They look into the mirror and only see a reflection of what they want to see. Why don't you paint a picture for us of an "Ugly American." We, "Ugly Americans", will then respond with a poratriat of an Ugly Canadian and an Ugly European. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:30:04 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote: Not once did I flame you during our brief exchange. You did, yet had the gall to previously call us on the carpet for our behavior. Not nice Lenny. Well, i don't think saying one act's like a boring child when the same statement is repeatedly posed is much different from saying looney lefts or bull**** when one has made a serious remark. The problem is, what you call serious remarks are nothing more than serious fiction, or in other words, bull****. And where did I call you a loonie left? You can't blame me for seeing that as the normal level of "intensity" in this group. And in just over 24 hours at this NG you have let yourself sink to the bottom with the rest of the folks who choose to flame and insult. Weren't you the one whining about those very folks just yesterday? What you can say is I don't keep books with what everybody individually has been saying but I think that is a bit too much to ask. No, what I do say is you like to rewrite history based on your Socialist views. |
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You want facts?
Fact: Reagan inherited an economy from Carter with double digit inflation, double digit interest rates and gas shortages. Is not a fact, but the way you set your period-boundaries and focus on Carter. You don't relate to previous presidencies. You just pick what you can use. Presenting this statement as a fact also denies other influences like world economy. Such simplifications usually deminish the value of an argument. It doesn't deserve the term fact. All I will say here is: Carter had no megalomane, expensive plans like Reagan. But I admit I have no extensive knowledge of the Carter economic performance. Fact: Ronald Reagan's tax cuts resulted in a financial boom with government revenue substantially increasing during his 2 terms. You can say that but where is the proof? In your words this is interpretation cause there may have been other explanations for the development you mention, if it was there in the first place. Sorry, still no fact, even by your own standards... Fact: Reagan cut federal spending as a share of the GDP almost 1% during his 2 terms. Fact: Reagan is the only president in the last forty years to cut inflation-adjusted non-defense outlays, which fell by 9.7 percent during his first term. Fact: Reagan cut the budget of 8 agencies out of 15 during his first term and the budget of 10 out of 15 during his second term. You can tell me anything here. I see your declarations but I see no proof. But I guess you expect me just to believe what you say... Fact: Reagan brought the USSR to its feet (financially) with them trying to compete with our Strategic Defense Initiative and a continued space program. This was one factor in bringing out the collapse of the USSR. Interpretation and immense speculation. Sorry, no fact, not even close. Fact: Reagan was one of the most popular US Presidents in history, getting 525 of 538 electoral votes and 59% of the popular votes in the 1984 election. Does that say something about Reagan or about the american public or about the tv show the us political process really is...? How about 'dem apples Len? As far as facts were remotely in sight (most of your post was speculation, selective use of history and interpretation): where can I find the proof, Jim? And all done without an attack on you or an insult to you. Well in that case, you must feel you're a better person than I am.... Now come back once you learn to play nice. I don' take orders. But seriously Jim. You are blowing my using the term "acting like a boring child" out of proportion. Your roleplaying like being that much offended ( "attack" is way too strong a word for this, "insult" is also too strong) for gaining moral territory in our discussion is indeed really childish.... And that is no longer a term used jokingly but now is an empirical fact for me. When we take a little distance we will have to conclude that we're not going to be soulmates. You will probably keep using your "being offended" and we'll both grab useable facts or what is presented as facts to prove our point. Maybe we'd better leave it at that. |
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Len wrote:
You want facts? Fact: Reagan inherited an economy from Carter with double digit inflation, double digit interest rates and gas shortages. Is not a fact...(bull**** deleted) That is a fact, jack. Fact: Ronald Reagan's tax cuts resulted in a financial boom with government revenue substantially increasing during his 2 terms. You can say that but where is the proof? Presented with facts and you want further "proof"? YOU are proof that the Looney Left will not let facts and data interfere with their spewing of bull****. I don' take orders... ....nor do you listen to reason. -- Skipper |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
"Len" wrote in message ... You want facts? Fact: Reagan inherited an economy from Carter with double digit inflation, double digit interest rates and gas shortages. Is not a fact, but the way you set your period-boundaries and focus on Carter. You don't relate to previous presidencies. You just pick what you can use. Presenting this statement as a fact also denies other influences like world economy. Such simplifications usually deminish the value of an argument. It doesn't deserve the term fact. All I will say here is: Carter had no megalomane, expensive plans like Reagan. But I admit I have no extensive knowledge of the Carter economic performance. LOL! Do you realize what you just said? Fact: Ronald Reagan's tax cuts resulted in a financial boom with government revenue substantially increasing during his 2 terms. You can say that but where is the proof? In your words this is interpretation cause there may have been other explanations for the development you mention, if it was there in the first place. Sorry, still no fact, even by your own standards... Sure it is. Show where it is not true. Fact: Reagan cut federal spending as a share of the GDP almost 1% during his 2 terms. No comment from you. Good, so we agree on this fact. Fact: Reagan is the only president in the last forty years to cut inflation-adjusted non-defense outlays, which fell by 9.7 percent during his first term. Again, no comment from you. You must once again agree with this fact. Fact: Reagan cut the budget of 8 agencies out of 15 during his first term and the budget of 10 out of 15 during his second term. You can tell me anything here. I see your declarations but I see no proof. But I guess you expect me just to believe what you say... Are you saying that Reagan did not cut the budget of 8 agencies out of 15 during his first term and the budget of 10 out of 15 during his second term? Fact: Reagan brought the USSR to its feet (financially) with them trying to compete with our Strategic Defense Initiative and a continued space program. This was one factor in bringing out the collapse of the USSR. Interpretation and immense speculation. Sorry, no fact, not even close. You can choose to ignore those facts. You previously argued against facts I made about the Carter economy then closed with a statement you really know nothing about it. Such is the case once again my friend. You really don't know what you are talking about. Fact: Reagan was one of the most popular US Presidents in history, getting 525 of 538 electoral votes and 59% of the popular votes in the 1984 election. Does that say something about Reagan or about the american public or about the tv show the us political process really is...? LOL!! How about 'dem apples Len? As far as facts were remotely in sight (most of your post was speculation, selective use of history and interpretation): where can I find the proof, Jim? Try google.........it is a great search tool and quite easy to use. Let me know if you need help figuring out how to use it. The proof is there. And all done without an attack on you or an insult to you. Well in that case, you must feel you're a better person than I am.... If you say so. Now come back once you learn to play nice. I don' take orders. Fine. Do as you want. But seriously Jim. You are blowing my using the term "acting like a boring child" out of proportion. Your roleplaying like being that much offended ( "attack" is way too strong a word for this, "insult" is also too strong) for gaining moral territory in our discussion is indeed really childish.... And that is no longer a term used jokingly but now is an empirical fact for me. When we take a little distance we will have to conclude that we're not going to be soulmates. You will probably keep using your "being offended" and we'll both grab useable facts or what is presented as facts to prove our point. Maybe we'd better leave it at that. Whining again Len? |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Why don't you paint a picture for us of an "Ugly American." We, "Ugly Americans", will then respond with a poratriat of an Ugly Canadian and an Ugly European. There was a book all about "The Ugly American". Below is a short description of the book which coined the phrase. The Ugly American The multi-million-copy bestseller that coined the phrase for tragic American blunders abroad. First published in 1958, The Ugly American became a runaway national bestseller for its slashing exposé of American arrogance, incompetence, and corruption in Southeast Asia. Based on fact, the book's eye-opening stories and sketches drew a devastating picture of how the United States was losing the struggle with Communism in Asia. |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Why don't you paint a picture for us of an "Ugly American." We, "Ugly Americans", will then respond with a poratriat of an Ugly Canadian and an Ugly European. There was a book all about "The Ugly American". Below is a short description of the book which coined the phrase. The Ugly American The multi-million-copy bestseller that coined the phrase for tragic American blunders abroad. First published in 1958, The Ugly American became a runaway national bestseller for its slashing exposé of American arrogance, incompetence, and corruption in Southeast Asia. Based on fact, the book's eye-opening stories and sketches drew a devastating picture of how the United States was losing the struggle with Communism in Asia. That was not the question Jim. What is *your* impression of what you call an "Ugly American" is? |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
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a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
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