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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Plutonium from the destroyed missile would be ingested by Northern pike,
make them glow at night, and that would be fantastic for remote fly-in
fishing lodges, which are always looking for a new way to attract new
business.
Doug, have you been to one of our fly in fishing lodges? They are
fantastic! Great fishing! Tasty food!

Jim



I'd like to, but I will not set foot in a single engine plane unless I
have first hired two suspicious men who will kill the pilot's family if
the plane crashes. I don't trust mechanics, except mine.

Grab a parachute and site in the co-pilot's seat.

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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:


That was the problem with the 'Star Wars' program.The US would
intercept Soviet missles over Canadian territory. Why would we
want that?


Most of Canada a few miles north of the US border is desolate tundra.
Would you rather that *fundamentalist* missile come down on New York?

--
Skipper
Maybe a thousand miles north of the border......
You asking me if I'd rather a missle land on a foreign country, or on my
own countries soil...? Give me 5 seconds to think about that...

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'd like to, but I will not set foot in a single engine plane unless I
have
first hired two suspicious men who will kill the pilot's family if the
plane
crashes. I don't trust mechanics, except mine.

You don't have to go by single engine plane. Some Outfitters have twin
Otters on floats. A great aircraft.
My brother had a Cessna 185 on floats but he traded that for a 210. He
didn't like the statistics of float planes.

He should have gotten a turbine 208, that's a nice ride to altitude.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Skipper" wrote in message
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Most of Canada a few miles north of the US border is desolate tundra.
Would you rather that *fundamentalist* missile come down on New York?
Skipper

Now here is one ignorant American. Skipper, did you not take a geography
course in school? You have better take a look at the map of Canada to
see
where the tundra is located. I can give you some help. It's more than
1000 miles north of the Canada/USA border

Why do 95% of the Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border?

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:04:31 -0500, Smith Smithers wrote:

Jim C.
You are wearing blinders if you don't think Canada benefits from a strong
US Military.

Sometimes, just sometimes, I wonder if we benefit from a strong military.
;-) Bullets or butter? World's policeman doesn't come without a cost.

It keeps your from harm.

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"Tamaroak" wrote in message
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And if we had listened to Carter we sure as hell wouldn't be in the pickle
we are in today with most of the world hating our collective guts. (And
with good reason, I might add; we are the ugly Americans.)

Carter was the worst US president.

We wouldn't have this chickenhawk AWOL deserter presidummy for one thing.
We might be somewhere on the road to self-sufficiency and conservation
regarding our energy needs, for another, instead of only worrying how we
can return value to the BP & Exxon shareholders.

Let's crack open ANWR, the coast of Calif. and Fla. We can then get some
wind farms off of Cape Cod.

This administration is a lot like others before them, only more stupid,
selfish and shortsighted.

You are an idiot.

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Don White wrote:

You asking me if I'd rather a missle land on a foreign country, or on my
own countries soil...? Give me 5 seconds to think about that...

Actually, I asked you "Most of Canada a few miles north of the US border
is desolate tundra. Would you rather that *fundamentalist* missile come
down on New York?"

So, is it remote tundra or New York where you'd prefer to see that
missile fall?

--
Skipper

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In terms of who deserves the most credit it is unmistakenly
Gorbatsjov. Why is it there is such a need to blow up the part Reagan
played? Don't you think any president with a smart advisor would have
done not exactly the same but would have added in the same amount?

No, Reagan was the drivinig force in tearing down the iron curtain.


And don't forget that he personally designed built & flew the first
rocket to the moon, right after he finished taming the west. And he
proved scientifically that trees cause air pollution!


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Actually, history was on both their sides. The borders were already
porous as a screened hatch in a submarine, the economies of the
various Baltic states were becoming more Westernized with a healthy
open black market fueled by some really good smugglers (a story of
whom has never been written but I wish would be), Poland and Hungary
had already become democratized - the forces of history.

They were in the right place in the right time for it all to come
crashing down. The fact that Reganites took credit for it is an
accident of that same history.

No doubt Reagan helped. But I thought it was funny that he is supposed
to have intimidated the Russians thru our superior submarine force... at
that time, the Russians had over 1,000 submarines alone, and President
Reagan's 600 ship Navy was just a pipe dream.

DSK

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'd like to, but I will not set foot in a single engine plane unless I
have
first hired two suspicious men who will kill the pilot's family if the
plane
crashes. I don't trust mechanics, except mine.

You don't have to go by single engine plane. Some Outfitters have
twin
Otters on floats. A great aircraft.
My brother had a Cessna 185 on floats but he traded that for a 210. He
didn't like the statistics of float planes.

He should have gotten a turbine 208, that's a nice ride to altitude.

Right now he is looking for a good 310 Turbo, with the Lycoming Engines.
Service ceiling of 35,000 ft.

Jim

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Skipper" wrote in message
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Most of Canada a few miles north of the US border is desolate tundra.
Would you rather that *fundamentalist* missile come down on New York?
Skipper

Now here is one ignorant American. Skipper, did you not take a
geography
course in school? You have better take a look at the map of Canada to
see
where the tundra is located. I can give you some help. It's more
than
1000 miles north of the Canada/USA border

Why do 95% of the Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border?

Well, way back in history, the only way to travel was by water and that's
where the Great Lakes Area is. The cities were started there and they
grew and grew. The main east & west highways were easier to construct
along this corridor. That's way. Also, it's a hell of a lot warmer the
further south you are. ;-)
Jim

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
In terms of who deserves the most credit it is unmistakenly
Gorbatsjov. Why is it there is such a need to blow up the part Reagan
played? Don't you think any president with a smart advisor would have
done not exactly the same but would have added in the same amount?

No, Reagan was the drivinig force in tearing down the iron curtain.


And don't forget that he personally designed built & flew the first rocket
to the moon, right after he finished taming the west. And he proved
scientifically that trees cause air pollution!

You have no concept of leadership.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Actually, history was on both their sides. The borders were already
porous as a screened hatch in a submarine, the economies of the
various Baltic states were becoming more Westernized with a healthy
open black market fueled by some really good smugglers (a story of
whom has never been written but I wish would be), Poland and Hungary
had already become democratized - the forces of history.

They were in the right place in the right time for it all to come
crashing down. The fact that Reganites took credit for it is an
accident of that same history.

No doubt Reagan helped. But I thought it was funny that he is supposed to
have intimidated the Russians thru our superior submarine force... at that
time, the Russians had over 1,000 submarines alone, and President Reagan's
600 ship Navy was just a pipe dream.

90% of those Soviet subs were stuck in port with the sailors just moving
them around the docks and painting different numbers on them.

90% of the Soviet missle silos were so water logged none of the electronics
could be turned on due them frying themselves soon after.

The whole Soviet facade crumbled under the weight of the US economic power.

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:10:32 -0700, jps wrote:

In article QyY8f.1092$xp1.863@trnddc01, says...
Hi Len,

You must be really happy to live somewhere where it doesn't matter what you
think.

I know I am.

And here Len, is a prime example of what is known overseas as the "ugly
American."

Trouble with these folks is that the harness that holds the blinders to
their heads are often cinched up a little too tight. It restricts blood
flow to the head. Eventually the brain atrophies and the most hey can
comprehend is the tripe that's spoon fed to them on right wing radio.

jps

I'm getting confused. Wasn't the"Ugly American" the good guy who
really cared about the people?
Just wondering.
Mark E. Williams

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.

Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim

According to you. Maybe you should increase your education. We have our
problems. Maybe we are the only superpower by default. Reagan spent for
Star Wars, and Gorbachev was smart enough to know he was bankrupt as a
country and had to accede to secondary status. Sort of like Europe at the
present time. Basically bankrupt. You can not afford the cradle to grave
socialism. In 20 years there will only be something like 2 working for
everyone on pension. The French government recognizes this predicament, but
trying to increase the amount of years that the workers have to work before
retirement, is causing massive public workers strikes. How often does the
transport unions call a strike? Look at the anti-immigrant bias. The
killing of a publisher in your country by a Muslim. What are the after
affects? You are a morally bankrupt region in look what you let go on in
Serbia / Albania. My mom is 90 years old. Twice in her lifetime, your
region has let despots involve the world in massive wars. And you call
yourself superior? While the UN sanctions on Iraq were in force, which
countries were selling goods under the table, including chemical warfare
components? Seems as it was mostly Europe. England still has an official
church. We have Christians wanting freedom to celebrate their religion
publicly. Same as the Muslims, Jews, etc do. Great thing about a
representative republic. we get to vote for most of the rule us.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Smith Smithers" wrote in message
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Jim C.
You are wearing blinders if you don't think Canada benefits from a strong

US

Military.

The only benefit that is possible is that Canada sells some excellent
military equipment to the USA.


Those are US companies doing a nice thing for our norther friends by keeping
you employed.



Well...aren't you the 'Sugar Daddy'!

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Bert Robbins wrote:



Why do 95% of the Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border?


So they can repel any war mongering, aggressors...such as Fenian
invasion of 1800's.

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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:


You asking me if I'd rather a missle land on a foreign country, or on my
own countries soil...? Give me 5 seconds to think about that...


Actually, I asked you "Most of Canada a few miles north of the US border
is desolate tundra. Would you rather that *fundamentalist* missile come
down on New York?"

So, is it remote tundra or New York where you'd prefer to see that
missile fall?

--
Skipper

I've been across the country a number of times, both flying and by
train. I've yet to see this tundra you keep talking about.

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:21:07 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:


"Len" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.

Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim

I agree. What you presented are not fact.

Sigh.
Fact: Reagan was accidentally in office when a true leader like
Gorbatsjow entered the circustent.
Fact: It was Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and Perestrojka
Fact: It was Gorbatsjow who caused things to happen. Reagan-fans tend
to place the emphasis on Reagan but please, gimme a break Gorbatsjow
was the only one capable of setting things in motion.
Fact: Reagan started serious overspending to please the campaign
supporting industries (Star Wars).
Fact: simultaneously: large tax reduction that would (in his advisors
dreams) would deminish the deficit. "Supply side economics", remember?
AKA Voodoo economics.
Fact: the remaining large deficit still exists and the rich became
richer.
Fact: The rep's won't raise taxes
Fact/deduction: therefore the democrats wil have to raise taxes to
lessen the risk of a totally bankrupted american economy.
Fact: By devaluation of the dollar the whole world pays for the
expensive evangelical risk-game of mr Bush.
(excuse me for adding a biased term in the end of the last sentence)

Regards, Len.

Actually the whole piece was bias.

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:


Care to support your claims with some proof?
Just because you say so does not make it fact.

(Yawn)
Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question.
But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary
to go on....
These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts.
You can look 'm up....

I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii)
What is a fact?
Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and
grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all
respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last
days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov.
Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it
did.

I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is.
The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so
bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and
become friends with the great world leader".
My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who
actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I
guess.... ....



You report them as facts, so it is up to you to support your thesis.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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Why don't you paint a picture for us of an "Ugly American."

We, "Ugly Americans", will then respond with a poratriat of an Ugly
Canadian
and an Ugly European.

There was a book all about "The Ugly American". Below is a short
description of the book which coined the phrase.


The Ugly American
The multi-million-copy bestseller that coined the phrase for tragic
American
blunders abroad.

First published in 1958, The Ugly American became a runaway national
bestseller for its slashing exposé of American arrogance, incompetence,
and
corruption in Southeast Asia. Based on fact, the book's eye-opening
stories
and sketches drew a devastating picture of how the United States was
losing
the struggle with Communism in Asia.



that was not the question and you appear to have neither read the book or
seen the movie.

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Bill McKee wrote:
snip...
Sort of like Europe at the present time. Basically bankrupt. You can
not afford
the cradle to grave socialism. In 20 years there will only be something
like 2 working for
everyone on pension.
snip...

I don't think you can afford what your gov't is spending...
what was your deficit last year?
how much money does the US owe?

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
snip...
Sort of like Europe at the present time. Basically bankrupt. You can
not afford
the cradle to grave socialism. In 20 years there will only be something
like 2 working for
everyone on pension.
snip...

I don't think you can afford what your gov't is spending...
what was your deficit last year?
how much money does the US owe?

Not as much per capita as Europe, and it is the pensions and social costs
that have not yet come home to roost. As to overspending in the US, we have
been doing an exceptional job since Nixon left office. We did a pretty good
job before that, but after Nixon Congress got really good. And being a
fiscal conservative, I think it blows. Big time. And Congress with
campaign finance reform, made it nearly impossible to unseat an incumbent.

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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:57:33 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

You report them as facts, so it is up to you to support your thesis.

What thesis. All I describe is what happened, in a positivistical way:
"what we all have seen happening".

The thesis "Reagan was the planner/key-player who set this in motion"
is a thesis. The self centered claiming of this "victory" as a
glorious result of Reagan policy and speeching is even an annoying
thesis with which the us actually loses appreciation, trust and
respect over here. It adds to the concept the us see themselves as the
centre of the universe.

Acknowleding Gorbatsjov was the key, the centre, is no more than
practicing sheer logic. What Reagan did was not vital, it may have
helped but was not the key cause of the ongoing development.

What I make of it is that the american means getting maximum political
gain of the Glasnost and Perestrojka that was the policy of
Gorbatsjow. Of course the economical power of the us has been a factor
that made russian leaders see that they would never keep up.

In the us analysis I see overexposure of the Reagan factor and
underestimating of the ongoing process of decline, production
problems, liberation-movements in the satellite states, etc.

A lot of americans here forget about these real causes and focus on
Reagans speech and really think America has stopped/won the cold war.
Maybe in order to say something good about a nitwit president from a
republican viewpoint but maybe it is even worse: a simplistic way of
looking at things, a monocausal explanation of historical processes
with an overexposure of the role of the us military and with an naieve
feeling the us can do this again wherever in the world.
I really feel this is a important factor in the lessening
understanding between the us and europe.

Regards, Len.

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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:34:34 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Len" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.

Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim

According to you. Maybe you should increase your education. We have our
problems. Maybe we are the only superpower by default.

What does that make you and what rights do you give yourselves being
that "super"power.
In my view the us is like the tallest and strongest guy in the 4th
grade. When he was an intelligent guy, all went well. When it was a
boaster, the other children in the classroom had a problem.

Reagan spent for Star Wars, and Gorbachev was smart enough to know
he was bankrupt as a
country and had to accede to secondary status. Sort of like Europe at the
present time. Basically bankrupt. You can not afford the cradle to grave
socialism. In 20 years there will only be something like 2 working for
everyone on pension.
The French government recognizes this predicament, but
trying to increase the amount of years that the workers have to work before
retirement, is causing massive public workers strikes. How often does the
transport unions call a strike?
All west european countries are reforming social security.
But I'm glad there is social security for the elderly and lesser
priviledged. I think however flawed a particular system is, it's a
measure of civilisation.

Look at the anti-immigrant bias. The
killing of a publisher in your country by a Muslim. What are the after
affects? You are a morally bankrupt region in look what you let go on in
Serbia / Albania.
I choose living in Europe in stead of living in an
christian-fundamentalist dictated country where these christian values
without exception are carried out to the individual well being.
I believe you also have your problems with a radical islamitic belief
that practices what the prophet prescribes regarding infidels?
Well we have these people as neighbours. Do you have a "simple,
straightforward us remedy" for that?

My mom is 90 years old. Twice in her lifetime, your
region has let despots involve the world in massive wars. And you call
yourself superior?

You say I must upgrade my education but you need new glasses.
This really is a serious case of projection. I never called us
superior. It's exactly what I accuse the us of. You'd better think
about this. Allow me to quote myself:

"And....
"You don't have to point out the mistakes Europe makes.
"We don't know how to fight like the us does, we have a clown for
"president in Italy, a bookkeeper in Holland, a ventrilloquists doll
"in Britain... We have difficulty becoming a union. We know that -in
"order to maintain a certain level of civilisation- we have a system
"in which we help the lesser priviliged and off course there will be
"some abuse of that system
"but we see that's simply a part of the costs of civilisation.
"We accept being just one of the parties in the world and we're not a
"purely selfish, manipulating superpower.

But I guess also this discussion is chancing in mud throwing.
I note that you regard europe as socialist, selling chemical warfare
components, morally bankrupt.
I'm not that good in mud throwing.
You win and I salute you.

Regards, Len.

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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:56:40 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Actually the whole piece was bias.

It is useless to have a dialogue unless both parties are prepared to
listen, try to understand the opponents arguments and react to that in
a constructive way, both trying to make progress in insight.
In that light you might use my posts to have another look at the
certainties you think you have...
Regards and good luck, Len.

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:31:57 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:

The your sources are all biased opinion. Each news organization has a bias.
Each person writing an op-ed peice for a newspaper has a bias. Each
individual oberserving an event has a bias.
I agree.
But I can also think for myself. And I can use various sources with
various Bias's. And I am careful about interest that are persued
within the specific bias presented. That what every citizen should do
in my view.

In terms of who deserves the most credit it is unmistakenly
Gorbatsjov. Why is it there is such a need to blow up the part Reagan
played? Don't you think any president with a smart advisor would have
done not exactly the same but would have added in the same amount?

No, Reagan was the drivinig force in tearing down the iron curtain.
Well thank you. Now I don't have to think anymore. I just have to
repeat, Reagan was the driving force, Reagan was the driving force.

Let me put it in another way: What would have become of this alleged
"Reagan-directed-end-of-the-cold-war" if Gorbatsjow hadn't been there
but another Brenzjnev-type or Chroestjow-type?
A few more years and a few hundred thousand people behind the iron curtain
would be dead.
What would the amount of casualties be when Bush hadn't started war on
false pretences? Or am I using biased information?

As another poster here said, Reagan was in the car, he wasn't the
driver but he was in the car. I admit to that. But any us president
would have been in that car.
The winners write the history and the loosers complain about it. In the
future it will be read that Reagan won the cold war throught the economic
might of the USA and the democratic principles that it promoted. Fair or
unfair this is what history will see.
What is it with this obsession with winners and losers....

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:49:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Tamaroak wrote:
And if we had listened to Carter we sure as hell wouldn't be in the
pickle we are in today with most of the world hating our collective
guts. (And with good reason, I might add; we are the ugly Americans.)

We wouldn't have this chickenhawk AWOL deserter presidummy for one
thing. We might be somewhere on the road to self-sufficiency and
conservation regarding our energy needs, for another, instead of only
worrying how we can return value to the BP & Exxon shareholders.

This administration is a lot like others before them, only more stupid,
selfish and shortsighted.

Capt. Jeff


There's no doubt Bush sets the standard for stupid, selfish, and
shortsighted.


Presidummy Bush. Love it. But we're devolving into a nation of dummies.
Maybe a presidummy is all we deserve.

At the risk of your american nature telling you "away with this
european critique, on the first place I am an american": believe me,
you deserve more. Of course you deserve more.
Such a potential, such beautiful nature, such an amount of space, a
very sound filosophy re work, lot's of successes in science, lot's of
superb intellect, a bit centered on the coastal areas ok, but it's
there!

On top of that : the rest of the world deserves a sound us government
with vision how to exercise this single-superpower status in a lasting
way.

I still trust in the people of the us. They will overcome this minor
setback in the direction of the middle ages. I must say my trust is
constantly tested, also over here but it is still there... thanks to
people like you who make me sigh and think: happily there are usa-
citizens with an open mind, self-critique, and not infected with this
"if you ain't with us your against us" dogma.

Regards, Len.

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"Len" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:34:34 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Len" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.

Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim

According to you. Maybe you should increase your education. We have our
problems. Maybe we are the only superpower by default.


snip

You win and I salute you.

Regards, Len.

Aren't you getting tired already of getting your ass kicked Len?

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Actually, I asked you "Most of Canada a few miles north of the US
border
is desolate tundra. Would you rather that *fundamentalist* missile come
down on New York?"
So, is it remote tundra or New York where you'd prefer to see that
missile fall?
Skipper
I've been across the country a number of times, both flying and by
train. I've yet to see this tundra you keep talking about.

I've seen it on my trips to Aklavik, & Tuktoyaktuk. You also see on your
way to Iqaluit, on Baffin Island. I was there last year for a fishing trip.

The Tundra is way up North! I think Skipper has no idea of how large
Canada really is.
Jim

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"Len" wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:34:34 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.
Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.
Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim
According to you. Maybe you should increase your education. We have
our
problems. Maybe we are the only superpower by default.

snip

You win and I salute you.

Regards, Len.

Aren't you getting tired already of getting your ass kicked Len?


Ass kicked? By who?

Old Len is a flyweight fighting in the heavyweight division. He has lost
every round so far yet keeps coming back for more. ;-)

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Bert Robbins wrote:
Those are US companies doing a nice thing for our norther friends by
keeping
you employed.
No Bert. They are Canadian Companies that sell to the USA. Look it up.
Heroux-Devtek.

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Harry Krause wrote:

I wouldn't be overly concerned with McKee; he's somewhat of a usenet
crackpot, and a right-wing extremist who claims to be a Democrat. If I
recall, he's an unlicensed handyman.

As I recall, you're some kind of class act, Krause.

--
Skipper

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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:34:49 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


Old Len is a flyweight fighting in the heavyweight division. He has lost
every round so far yet keeps coming back for more. ;-)

It is quite illustrative that you use the metafore of fighting.
The irony I put in my posts in which I saluted you totally escaped
your grasp?

Personally I would use the metafore of upbringing retarded children.
It helps me to occasionaly determine if the more problematic children
make any progress.

Are you intrested in your grades Jim?

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Harry Krause wrote:

See, not all your memory is fried. I am indeed a classy guy.

There's nothing like the smell of Krause in the morning to start your
day.

--
Skipper

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:31:57 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:

The your sources are all biased opinion. Each news organization has a
bias.
Each person writing an op-ed peice for a newspaper has a bias. Each
individual oberserving an event has a bias.
I agree.
But I can also think for myself. And I can use various sources with
various Bias's. And I am careful about interest that are persued
within the specific bias presented. That what every citizen should do
in my view.

I live in the US and we have freedom of the press and we get our news from
all over the world. Do you live in a country that censors your news?

In terms of who deserves the most credit it is unmistakenly
Gorbatsjov. Why is it there is such a need to blow up the part Reagan
played? Don't you think any president with a smart advisor would have
done not exactly the same but would have added in the same amount?

No, Reagan was the drivinig force in tearing down the iron curtain.
Well thank you. Now I don't have to think anymore. I just have to
repeat, Reagan was the driving force, Reagan was the driving force.

You are welcome.

Let me put it in another way: What would have become of this alleged
"Reagan-directed-end-of-the-cold-war" if Gorbatsjow hadn't been there
but another Brenzjnev-type or Chroestjow-type?
A few more years and a few hundred thousand people behind the iron curtain
would be dead.
What would the amount of casualties be when Bush hadn't started war on
false pretences? Or am I using biased information?

The children of Iraq would still be starving due to Saddam taking all of the
Oil for Food money and building more palaces.

As another poster here said, Reagan was in the car, he wasn't the
driver but he was in the car. I admit to that. But any us president
would have been in that car.
The winners write the history and the loosers complain about it. In the
future it will be read that Reagan won the cold war throught the economic
might of the USA and the democratic principles that it promoted. Fair or
unfair this is what history will see.
What is it with this obsession with winners and losers....

There are always winners and losers in everything you do. The fact that you
abhor competition and desire to seek consensus is very telling.

Who wins when a cat and a mouse are put into a box? Hint, there is no
consensus.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Those are US companies doing a nice thing for our norther friends by
keeping
you employed.
No Bert. They are Canadian Companies that sell to the USA. Look it
up.
Heroux-Devtek.

Who?

Last time I was up in Waterloo all I could see were US companies names
everywhere I went. Well, except for Tim Horton's, I wish they would come
down to the US and replace Starbucks.

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:53:35 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote:


Sometimes, just sometimes, I wonder if we benefit from a strong
military. ;-) Bullets or butter? World's policeman doesn't come
without a cost.

It keeps your from harm.

Does it? And at what cost? It seems to me, since WWII, this country has
been at peace . . . Well, at least a couple of years. Perhaps, if our
military wasn't so strong, we wouldn't be using them as much.

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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:41:12 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:
But I can also think for myself. And I can use various sources with
various Bias's. And I am careful about interest that are persued
within the specific bias presented. That what every citizen should do
in my view.

I live in the US and we have freedom of the press and we get our news from
all over the world. Do you live in a country that censors your news?
No, did I imply that? where?

Well thank you. Now I don't have to think anymore. I just have to
repeat, Reagan was the driving force, Reagan was the driving force.
You are welcome.
Don't you even understand irony when it's that thick?

What would the amount of casualties be when Bush hadn't started war on
false pretences? Or am I using biased information?

The children of Iraq would still be starving due to Saddam taking all of the
Oil for Food money and building more palaces.
Do you mean the children that we're starving befor or after the years
America supported Saddam ?

What is it with this obsession with winners and losers....
There are always winners and losers in everything you do. The fact that you
abhor competition and desire to seek consensus is very telling.
What makes you think (wrongly) I abhor competition?
Or is that synonymous with fighting to you, hm... very telling
indeed...
Seeking consensus is not a bad thing. You should take a modern course
in negociation or google for "prisoners dilemma". It resembles
co-existing a bit better tham your boxing-ring. It may enlighten you
that when both parties communicate intelligently the total outcome can
improve a lot.

I'll try it again in even simpler terms....
In thinking in simple winning/losing you always settle for a
suboptimal result. Tell me, who is winning, the intelligent negotiator
who finds a mutual interest and achieves a combined succes (that would
be me in this little comparison) or the boxer who knocks everything
down he doesn't directly understand (and that would be you)?

Or is this too much a braincracker for you...?

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:53:35 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote:


Sometimes, just sometimes, I wonder if we benefit from a strong
military. ;-) Bullets or butter? World's policeman doesn't come
without a cost.

It keeps your from harm.

Does it? And at what cost? It seems to me, since WWII, this country has
been at peace . . . Well, at least a couple of years. Perhaps, if our
military wasn't so strong, we wouldn't be using them as much.

By the simple fact that our military is strong, very strong, we are
generally safe within our own borders. Peace is the end result of some
entity winning a war. The world has never been at peace, only the losers
have been at peace with the winners of the conflict. There have always been
tribes, towns, cities and nations at war.

Human nature prevents us from living in peace.

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Bert Robbins wrote:

Last time I was up in Waterloo all I could see were US companies names
everywhere I went. Well, except for Tim Horton's, I wish they would come
down to the US and replace Starbucks.



%^&$^%& Yankee dollahs! Now an American wants to own The Hudson's Bay
Company, which is the oldest company in Canada...at 335 years.
http://tinyurl.com/aqq9a

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:41:12 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:
But I can also think for myself. And I can use various sources with
various Bias's. And I am careful about interest that are persued
within the specific bias presented. That what every citizen should do
in my view.

I live in the US and we have freedom of the press and we get our news from
all over the world. Do you live in a country that censors your news?
No, did I imply that? where?

Well thank you. Now I don't have to think anymore. I just have to
repeat, Reagan was the driving force, Reagan was the driving force.
You are welcome.
Don't you even understand irony when it's that thick?

What would the amount of casualties be when Bush hadn't started war on
false pretences? Or am I using biased information?

The children of Iraq would still be starving due to Saddam taking all of
the
Oil for Food money and building more palaces.
Do you mean the children that we're starving befor or after the years
America supported Saddam ?

What is it with this obsession with winners and losers....
There are always winners and losers in everything you do. The fact that
you
abhor competition and desire to seek consensus is very telling.
What makes you think (wrongly) I abhor competition?
Or is that synonymous with fighting to you, hm... very telling
indeed...
Seeking consensus is not a bad thing. You should take a modern course
in negociation or google for "prisoners dilemma". It resembles
co-existing a bit better tham your boxing-ring. It may enlighten you
that when both parties communicate intelligently the total outcome can
improve a lot.

I'll try it again in even simpler terms....
In thinking in simple winning/losing you always settle for a
suboptimal result. Tell me, who is winning, the intelligent negotiator
who finds a mutual interest and achieves a combined succes (that would
be me in this little comparison) or the boxer who knocks everything
down he doesn't directly understand (and that would be you)?

Or is this too much a braincracker for you...?

An American, you are not!