"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
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Matt Colie wrote:

Terry,

This has been amazingly amuzing, shall we divert this here to a new case?

Billy is fishing from his drifting jetski (or what ever) and a sailboat
with no sails is approaching with no change in bearing. He is not
worried because he can see smoke at he transom. After all he is fishing
so the sailboat is the burden vessel here.

What little Billy has not bothered to notice is the the line (he calls it
rope) that is drifting in front of the sailboat.

He is also absolutely certain that Colregs part 3.d means that he has no
requirement to avoid the closing vessel. If you can only read one line
at time, it might be an honest mistake.

Questions:
1 - What is proper way for the anchored ketch to avoid a collision.
2 - Why is there no standing lookout in a part 202.50 anchorage?
3 - Who is tending the barbaque? (instead of watching for boats drifting
into the anchorage?

Matt Colie


That's "barbeque", Billy.

I bet we could go on and on, but well,,, (Yawn) nawwww...

I would just let him get close, then spray him with gasoline from my legal
fire arm garden sprayer, or give him a "backside" from the poop cannon,
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...

Terry K



http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~wp...g/StartUp.html

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
Matt Colie wrote:

Terry,

This has been amazingly amuzing, shall we divert this here to a new case?

Billy is fishing from his drifting jetski (or what ever) and a sailboat
with no sails is approaching with no change in bearing. He is not
worried because he can see smoke at he transom. After all he is fishing
so the sailboat is the burden vessel here.

What little Billy has not bothered to notice is the the line (he calls it
rope) that is drifting in front of the sailboat.

He is also absolutely certain that Colregs part 3.d means that he has no
requirement to avoid the closing vessel. If you can only read one line
at time, it might be an honest mistake.

Questions:
1 - What is proper way for the anchored ketch to avoid a collision.
2 - Why is there no standing lookout in a part 202.50 anchorage?
3 - Who is tending the barbaque? (instead of watching for boats drifting
into the anchorage?

Matt Colie


That's "barbeque", Billy.

I bet we could go on and on, but well,,, (Yawn) nawwww...

I would just let him get close, then spray him with gasoline from my legal
fire arm garden sprayer, or give him a "backside" from the poop cannon,
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...

Terry K



http://www.kget.com/guides/outdoor/s...3-15172006E3DA

Bill McKee wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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(b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
machinery.

And your motor is not propelling machinery?

Try reading (b) again.



And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like
mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So
you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in
gear, who is at fault.

Billy. How old are you? Is it time for school yet? When a bicycle runs
into a parked car who is at fault?


If in California the car may be at fault.
Let's ask the question about bikes and pedestrians. Refer to California.
1)You are driving down the street and a bike is coming down the other street
and runs the stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault?

2)You are driving down the street and a bike is coming down the other street
on the side walk and runs the stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault?

3) You are driving down the street and a pedestrian runs out from between 2
cars and you collide. Who is at fault?


I don't know anything about California law but I know the International
Regulations for Preventing Collisions at sea. You don't.

"Bill McKee" wrote in
news:

I understand completely what they are saying. And they are saying
that a sailboat with the motor running is not a powerboat because the
boat is not in gear. And they are wrong. The motor is running and
that is propulsion gear. Just because the boat is in neutral, the
propulsion gear is still in use. The engine is turning, the
transmission is turning, only the propeller at the moment is not
turning. They need to do a little review.




Let me try another real world example:

I'm out sailing, not much wind, so I'm under power also..... powerdriven
vessel.
My propeller hits something and snaps the shaft .... no power to the
propeller.
Coming back into harbor (under sail, naturally) I restart engine to keep
batteries charged for lights and electronics (engine turning,transmission
turning....propeller, freewheeling).
Are you suggesting I'm a powerdriven vessel?
How do you know that in any case where you see an engine running, that it
is capable of turning the prop? ..... you don't.
Until you know for a certainty that the engine IS turning the prop, you
treat that boat as a sailboat ..... and once again I send you to Rule 2.

otn

"Bill McKee" wrote in
news:

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
news:

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not,
is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of
moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn


Better do a little research.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. This from a moron operator of a PWC, to
a licensed all oceans ships master and pilot?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I'd tell Bill to get a clue, but he couldn't manage that if it was
stuck to his forehead with duct tape.

PDW

He is an incompetant master and pilot, and is only trying to project
that he has a 100 ton license.


ROFLMAO

otn

"Bill McKee" wrote
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. This from a moron operator of a
PWC, to a
licensed all oceans ships master and pilot?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I'd tell Bill to get a clue, but he couldn't manage that if
it was
stuck to his forehead with duct tape.

PDW

He is an incompetant master and pilot, and is only trying to
project that he
has a 100 ton license.


One can only hope that the two of you meet up someday.......on
the ocean.


Scotty

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn


Better do a little research.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. This from a moron operator of a PWC, to a
licensed all oceans ships master and pilot?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I'd tell Bill to get a clue, but he couldn't manage that if it was
stuck to his forehead with duct tape.

PDW

Bill McKee wrote:


I do not hit sailboats, as I and most of the powerboats in San Francisco bay
stay very alert around sailboats. These are the same sailboats that state
they have right of way over tankers entering the bay.


Ignorance of the law seems to run rampant out your way. Contact your
state legislature. Demand compulsory training & testing before
licensing for pleasure boaters (sail or power)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Bill McKee wrote:

I do not hit sailboats, as I and most of the powerboats in San Francisco
bay stay very alert around sailboats. These are the same sailboats that
state they have right of way over tankers entering the bay.

Ignorance of the law seems to run rampant out your way. Contact your
state legislature. Demand compulsory training & testing before licensing
for pleasure boaters (sail or power)


And a blood-alcohol test for Bill.



Why do you judge everybody by your own deficiencies?

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 05:45:13 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:35:54 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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Good post!
I totally agree with you, it was excellent! If Bill can't understand what
Terry wrote, then he needs to go back to school, preferably a maritime
teaching school.

Jim C.

I *think* Bill really understands, but just wants to fight the problem. My
attitude, with regard to sails, is simple - stay away from them and pass
to
their stern. Seems to work pretty well, 'cause none of them have hit me
yet!
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

I understand completely what they are saying. And they are saying that a
sailboat with the motor running is not a powerboat because the boat is not
in gear. And they are wrong. The motor is running and that is propulsion
gear. Just because the boat is in neutral, the propulsion gear is still in
use. The engine is turning, the transmission is turning, only the propeller
at the moment is not turning. They need to do a little review.


Well, Bill, I'm not a sailor, but I would say that if the propeller is not
turning then the 'propelling machinery' is not fully functioning.

If the sails are up, I'll give it a wide berth. Then, if I see that it was
being propelled by an engine, I'll give it some choice words and perhaps a
middle digit.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, beautiful bride, it's only a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite