"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On 2 Oct 2005 17:01:50 -0700, wrote:


*JimH* wrote:
You have spread lies in this NG about me having a sockpuppet posting as
the
Skipper. I have told you repeated that is not true. Skipper's initial
post
about you was harsh and uncalled for. I have no bone to pick with you
to
have done such a thing. His posts also offered specifics that I was
never
privy to or aware of.

Yet you continue to spread the lie without offering any proof, just
suspicions.

You are the accuser yet I have to prove my innocence as you obviously
operate on the theory of guilty till proven innocent.

So how is this for proof Chuck?

Skippers IP address is: 68.102.254.136

Using http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm the address shows the user
is
located in Derby, Kansas. The old Skipper lived in Derby, Kansas. I
live
in Avon Lake, Ohio.

Skipper's ISP is cox.net. Cox.net does not provide service in Avon
Lake,
Ohio, nor does it in any of the suburbs surrounding Avon Lake.

Now for the real interesting part..........Skipper posted in the "Delay
has
been charged" thread on 9-28 at 4:10 pm. I posted in that thread on
9-28
at 4:14 pm. I guess I must be Superman to perform that feat.

I am sure you can further search the NG to find me posting during/near
the
times Skipper posted, but facts obviously do not concern you.

Please explain away these *facts* Chuck. Then offer an apology for
your
whopper of a lie about me.

Are you man enough Chuck?


I have stated that I suspect the current Skipper is a sock puppet. I
have stated that because the psuedo-Skipper posted in a very weird
style that I did not remember ever seeing before and the only time it
appeard again was when you used the *exact* same format and almost
*exactly* the same words in another attack post, I have drawn the
conclusion that you are the sock puppetmaster.

Chuck, I think you are, most likely, wrong. An analysis of headers
between the "real" Skipper of old and the new one leads me to believe
that this new one *is* likely a sock puppet, but is probably in the
Atlanta area. The IPs and the fact that it was to a cox.net address
gave me pause to accept that it *might* be the real Skipper.....


As far as ISP's, email addresses, etc etc etc etc etc go. Sorry, but
not impressed. There are any number of remailing programs and services
that people can use to disguise their identity and they have been
commonly used in rec.boats in the past. Not by you, as far as I know,
but it appears to be fairly easily accomplished when desired.


This recent poster has not, as yet, been able to post in a manner
geographically appropriate to the *real* Skipper. Additionally, he has
not recognized appropriate "hot buttons" that the real Skipper should
have reflexively responded to......


My take? It is a fake. It is a sock puppet. It is a smithers. It is
not Jim.

Again... if you want to know for sure, I can give you the *real*
Skipper's telephone number and/or the information indicating that
*this* "Skipper" is not in the correct geographic third of the
country....

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Thank you Gene. I was hoping for someone to be able to sort this all out
beyond what I have already offered.

BTW: During a trace of the *Skipper* IP address it was traced to Atlanta a
couple of times, not Derby, KS. If you remember a certain person here from
the Atlanta area was quick to side with Chuck on his initial suspicions that
I was Skipper and continued to throw a shadow of suspicion that I was the
one.

The person posting as Skipper apparently has a long history here to be able
to know all the specifics brought out in the Skipper posts.

Oh, to be "On Lanier" again, eh Jim G?

And a certain person here did not deny he was in fact Jim Gallow when
confronted.

Smithers me this, Skipper me that. Gallow me......curious.

Could it be? ;-)

Now I am not making any specific allegations based on these curiosities as
the Chuckster is..........the proof will come out sooner or later. Either
way, the proof (beyond what I posted) will indeed show that the new
*Skipper* is not a JimH sock puppet.

Sorry Chuck.

BTW: Still awaiting an apology from you for continuing your whopper of a
lie.

*JimH* wrote:

You are a pathetic excuse of a man, Chuck. You have lost any respect...

Ask him how it is the Skipper knows about the black restaurant and that
Chucky does not like the food there. Ask him why he showed the Skipper a
gas powered Silverton (the boat in question where someone stepped back
and reboarded). Ask him if he remembers when the Skipper's knee went out
while inspecting a boat...botton line, he *KNOWS* you didn't spoof my
posts.

--
Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:

You are a pathetic excuse of a man, Chuck. You have lost any respect...

Ask him how it is the Skipper knows about the black restaurant and that
Chucky does not like the food there. Ask him why he showed the Skipper a
gas powered Silverton (the boat in question where someone stepped back
and reboarded). Ask him if he remembers when the Skipper's knee went out
while inspecting a boat...botton line, he *KNOWS* you didn't spoof my
posts.

--
Skipper

JimH

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:

You are a pathetic excuse of a man, Chuck. You have lost any respect...

Ask him how it is the Skipper knows about the black restaurant and that
Chucky does not like the food there. Ask him why he showed the Skipper a
gas powered Silverton (the boat in question where someone stepped back
and reboarded). Ask him if he remembers when the Skipper's knee went out
while inspecting a boat...botton line, he *KNOWS* you didn't spoof my
posts.

--
Skipper

Thank you.

I await an apology from Chuck Gould for his whopper lie about me.

I wonder if he will be man enough.

Oh yes, ask him how the real skipper knows a certain trawler was moved
to the junkyard.

--
Skipper

"*JimH*" wrote in message
. ..

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:

You are a pathetic excuse of a man, Chuck. You have lost any respect...

Ask him how it is the Skipper knows about the black restaurant and that
Chucky does not like the food there. Ask him why he showed the Skipper a
gas powered Silverton (the boat in question where someone stepped back
and reboarded). Ask him if he remembers when the Skipper's knee went out
while inspecting a boat...botton line, he *KNOWS* you didn't spoof my
posts.

--
Skipper

JimH

I posted this quick post to show a date/time stamp between Skippers post and
mine.

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Oh yes, ask him how the real skipper knows a certain trawler was moved
to the junkyard.

--
Skipper

JimH

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Oh yes, ask him how the real skipper knows a certain trawler was moved
to the junkyard.

--
Skipper

JimH


Another quick date/time stamp.

We are now about a minute apart on posts.

Call me Superman.......or give me the apology I deserve for your whopper lie
Chuck.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On 2 Oct 2005 17:01:50 -0700, wrote:


*JimH* wrote:
You have spread lies in this NG about me having a sockpuppet posting as the
Skipper. I have told you repeated that is not true. Skipper's initial post
about you was harsh and uncalled for. I have no bone to pick with you to
have done such a thing. His posts also offered specifics that I was never
privy to or aware of.

Yet you continue to spread the lie without offering any proof, just
suspicions.

You are the accuser yet I have to prove my innocence as you obviously
operate on the theory of guilty till proven innocent.

So how is this for proof Chuck?

Skippers IP address is: 68.102.254.136

Using http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm the address shows the user is
located in Derby, Kansas. The old Skipper lived in Derby, Kansas. I live
in Avon Lake, Ohio.

Skipper's ISP is cox.net. Cox.net does not provide service in Avon Lake,
Ohio, nor does it in any of the suburbs surrounding Avon Lake.

Now for the real interesting part..........Skipper posted in the "Delay has
been charged" thread on 9-28 at 4:10 pm. I posted in that thread on 9-28
at 4:14 pm. I guess I must be Superman to perform that feat.

I am sure you can further search the NG to find me posting during/near the
times Skipper posted, but facts obviously do not concern you.

Please explain away these *facts* Chuck. Then offer an apology for your
whopper of a lie about me.

Are you man enough Chuck?


I have stated that I suspect the current Skipper is a sock puppet. I
have stated that because the psuedo-Skipper posted in a very weird
style that I did not remember ever seeing before and the only time it
appeard again was when you used the *exact* same format and almost
*exactly* the same words in another attack post, I have drawn the
conclusion that you are the sock puppetmaster.

Chuck, I think you are, most likely, wrong. An analysis of headers
between the "real" Skipper of old and the new one leads me to believe
that this new one *is* likely a sock puppet, but is probably in the
Atlanta area. The IPs and the fact that it was to a cox.net address
gave me pause to accept that it *might* be the real Skipper.....


As far as ISP's, email addresses, etc etc etc etc etc go. Sorry, but
not impressed. There are any number of remailing programs and services
that people can use to disguise their identity and they have been
commonly used in rec.boats in the past. Not by you, as far as I know,
but it appears to be fairly easily accomplished when desired.


This recent poster has not, as yet, been able to post in a manner
geographically appropriate to the *real* Skipper. Additionally, he has
not recognized appropriate "hot buttons" that the real Skipper should
have reflexively responded to......


My take? It is a fake. It is a sock puppet. It is a smithers. It is
not Jim.

Again... if you want to know for sure, I can give you the *real*
Skipper's telephone number and/or the information indicating that
*this* "Skipper" is not in the correct geographic third of the
country....

Thanks, Gene, but Dave's address and phone number are a matter of
public record. I can't think of any reason to call him.

You seem to agree that Psuedo Skipper is a sock puppet. I drew a
conclusion based on the fact that only two posts to this NG, in my
memory, have ever been formatted
with a reference to a little gem followed by a quote contained in a
series of +++++++ signs. That both posts were personal attacks, a week
apart, only increases their similarity.

My conclusion is that the puppetmaster is the author of the second post
with the oddball format, JimH. Another poster, not normally one of my
traditional allies, has stated that he would have arrived at the same
conclusion, were it not for the ISP. Obviously, that poster is more
impressed with an ISP than I am.

I wouldn't want to claim that I have incontrovertible proof that it is
absolutely JimH, but neither am I going to deny my suspicion that it
is. Should the identity of the real puppetmaster ever be confirmed to
be somebody other than JimH, I will correct my conclusion and apology
for an error. I have no "lie" for which to apologize.

The whole episode is becoming a bit absurd. I should just "plonk" the
psuedo-Skipper and the suspected puppetmaster and unless he/they turn
on Harry, Basskisser, or somebody else the entire rec.boats crap fire
over this issue will just burn out.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On 2 Oct 2005 17:01:50 -0700, wrote:


*JimH* wrote:
You have spread lies in this NG about me having a sockpuppet posting
as the
Skipper. I have told you repeated that is not true. Skipper's
initial post
about you was harsh and uncalled for. I have no bone to pick with you
to
have done such a thing. His posts also offered specifics that I was
never
privy to or aware of.

Yet you continue to spread the lie without offering any proof, just
suspicions.

You are the accuser yet I have to prove my innocence as you obviously
operate on the theory of guilty till proven innocent.

So how is this for proof Chuck?

Skippers IP address is: 68.102.254.136

Using http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm the address shows the
user is
located in Derby, Kansas. The old Skipper lived in Derby, Kansas. I
live
in Avon Lake, Ohio.

Skipper's ISP is cox.net. Cox.net does not provide service in Avon
Lake,
Ohio, nor does it in any of the suburbs surrounding Avon Lake.

Now for the real interesting part..........Skipper posted in the
"Delay has
been charged" thread on 9-28 at 4:10 pm. I posted in that thread on
9-28
at 4:14 pm. I guess I must be Superman to perform that feat.

I am sure you can further search the NG to find me posting during/near
the
times Skipper posted, but facts obviously do not concern you.

Please explain away these *facts* Chuck. Then offer an apology for
your
whopper of a lie about me.

Are you man enough Chuck?


I have stated that I suspect the current Skipper is a sock puppet. I
have stated that because the psuedo-Skipper posted in a very weird
style that I did not remember ever seeing before and the only time it
appeard again was when you used the *exact* same format and almost
*exactly* the same words in another attack post, I have drawn the
conclusion that you are the sock puppetmaster.

Chuck, I think you are, most likely, wrong. An analysis of headers
between the "real" Skipper of old and the new one leads me to believe
that this new one *is* likely a sock puppet, but is probably in the
Atlanta area. The IPs and the fact that it was to a cox.net address
gave me pause to accept that it *might* be the real Skipper.....


As far as ISP's, email addresses, etc etc etc etc etc go. Sorry, but
not impressed. There are any number of remailing programs and services
that people can use to disguise their identity and they have been
commonly used in rec.boats in the past. Not by you, as far as I know,
but it appears to be fairly easily accomplished when desired.


This recent poster has not, as yet, been able to post in a manner
geographically appropriate to the *real* Skipper. Additionally, he has
not recognized appropriate "hot buttons" that the real Skipper should
have reflexively responded to......


My take? It is a fake. It is a sock puppet. It is a smithers. It is
not Jim.

Again... if you want to know for sure, I can give you the *real*
Skipper's telephone number and/or the information indicating that
*this* "Skipper" is not in the correct geographic third of the
country....

Thanks, Gene, but Dave's address and phone number are a matter of
public record. I can't think of any reason to call him.

You seem to agree that Psuedo Skipper is a sock puppet. I drew a
conclusion based on the fact that only two posts to this NG, in my
memory, have ever been formatted
with a reference to a little gem followed by a quote contained in a
series of +++++++ signs. That both posts were personal attacks, a week
apart, only increases their similarity.

My conclusion is that the puppetmaster is the author of the second post
with the oddball format, JimH. Another poster, not normally one of my
traditional allies, has stated that he would have arrived at the same
conclusion, were it not for the ISP. Obviously, that poster is more
impressed with an ISP than I am.

I wouldn't want to claim that I have incontrovertible proof that it is
absolutely JimH, but neither am I going to deny my suspicion that it
is. Should the identity of the real puppetmaster ever be confirmed to
be somebody other than JimH, I will correct my conclusion and apology
for an error. I have no "lie" for which to apologize.

The whole episode is becoming a bit absurd. I should just "plonk" the
psuedo-Skipper and the suspected puppetmaster and unless he/they turn
on Harry, Basskisser, or somebody else the entire rec.boats crap fire
over this issue will just burn out.


A suspicion at first. No problem

But it became a lie based on you ignoring facts presented to you Chuck. Yet
you continue with it.

It is now a whopper of a lie.

And I see your spin has begun. Pretty soon the old "Who, me?" card will be
played.

I await your apology Chuck.