Snoopy wrote in message . ..
My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
Want to be able to waterski
Carry say 8 persons
But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?

TIA
Frank

Problem is not brand, its design. I have a freind w/ a 215 Bayliner
and you'll do fine pulling a skier w/ 3 or 4 people on board, or
taking 8 out to watch the fireworks, moonrise, etc on the bay. The
problem is that any open bowrider with no flare, low freeboard, and no
cabin structure could get hammered in even moderate seas, especially
head seas. You're looking for an awful lot in one boat, let alone a
small and inexpensive one.

FishFan...( former BL owner)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Good one. I wonder at times why there are not more small diesel
placed
in
small fishing boats. When traveling in Europe, lots of small diesel
cars.
1.5L size engines. These should make good fishing boat engines. I
know
Mercruiser uses a Cummings 1.7L in some of their packages. e.g. 28'
Procat.
Bill

I suspect we will see more diesel applications in the near future. I
don't
care
what the guys with the "for the price of a diesel egine I can afford to
burn up
a lot of gasoline" argument say, I think the current economics of
feeding
100
gph or more into twin 454's (at $2.50 -$3.00 a gallon) is going to
inspire
some
people who thought they had reached a gas vs. diesel conclusion to
reconsider.

I am not talking about the highpower / big dollar diesels. Lots of
small
econocars in Europe are diesel. Most of the small 1-2 person commercial
fishing boats, about 22' long are diesel.
Bill



It's too bad Yanmar stopped the marketing of outboard diesels in this
country.

Way to expensive for most boats. Fiat makes the Brava. Very nice car, 1.2L
diesel and sells for £12-16,000. Less than a yanmar diesel O/B. Renault
has a 4 cyl 1.4L for their cars.
Bill

Also Sprach Harry Krause :

Closed bow, more freeboard, taller bow, more bow flare, fewer seats
(fewer people onboard), larger fuel tanks, double batteries, full
electronics.
I don't know that boat's specifics, but I'd bet it has fuel capacity of
less than 50 gallons and a large V6 or small V8 engine.

Oh, I would have KILLED to have had a camera with me today.

Driving home from a nice weekend in the San Juan islands today, we passed
a guy towing a 24' Bayliner. The guy had not one, not two, but THREE
portable gas tanks bungee corded to his swim platform. Two jerry cans and
one 6 gallon portable tank with hose. Only thing better would have been
if he had his fenders hanging out on the interstate at 70MPH.

Of course MY Bayliner now has adequate tankage, thanks to a lot of
retrofit work while I was replacing the rotten floor and stringers last
year. I figure that 36 gallons is adequate for a 19' boat with a 140HP
outboard. Better than the 12 gallon tank that it came with, anyway.

Dan


--
The Apocalypse is INVISCID!

-- Gary Yngve

(on modeling nuclear explosions with the Navier-Stokes equations.)

Marshall Banana wrote:

Also Sprach Harry Krause :

Closed bow, more freeboard, taller bow, more bow flare, fewer seats
(fewer people onboard), larger fuel tanks, double batteries, full
electronics.
I don't know that boat's specifics, but I'd bet it has fuel capacity of
less than 50 gallons and a large V6 or small V8 engine.

Oh, I would have KILLED to have had a camera with me today.

Driving home from a nice weekend in the San Juan islands today, we passed
a guy towing a 24' Bayliner. The guy had not one, not two, but THREE
portable gas tanks bungee corded to his swim platform. Two jerry cans and
one 6 gallon portable tank with hose. Only thing better would have been
if he had his fenders hanging out on the interstate at 70MPH.

Of course MY Bayliner now has adequate tankage, thanks to a lot of
retrofit work while I was replacing the rotten floor and stringers last
year. I figure that 36 gallons is adequate for a 19' boat with a 140HP
outboard. Better than the 12 gallon tank that it came with, anyway.

Dan


Hmmm...did the boat being hauled have a Kansas plate on its trailer?

Your 19-footer had a 12-gallon tank? Cripes.

"Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Frank,

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would
be
better off with a better quality used boat.

Capt. Frank Hopkins
www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks

Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

Glenn

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:37:52 -0400, "Glenn Deneweth"
wrote:

Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

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http://www.uscgboating.org/statistic...stics_2000.pdf

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:37:52 -0400, "Glenn Deneweth"
wrote:

Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

===================

http://www.uscgboating.org/statistic...stics_2000.pdf


Still trying to find the statistics on the Coast Guard site, (reported by Capt.
Frank) establishing that Bayliner boats have a reputation for hull failures on
an open sea.

Scaning all 42 pages fom the link just furnished reveals *no* data broken down
by brand name.

On 19 Jul 2004 20:04:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Scaning all 42 pages fom the link just furnished reveals *no* data broken down
by brand name.

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That's correct as I read it also. It does have statistics for
virtually every mode of accident and every type of boat however. If
one had access to the raw database instead of just the summary, I
suspect a breakdown by brand would be possible also, but apparently
they have chosen not to do that publicly. Too bad, it would be an
interesting but meaningless statistic.

None at all. I wouldn't take that boat anywhere but a lake or an inland bay.

Paul