"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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I don't believe this thread exists. [head shakes]

Worse yet, I'm sure that somebody is about to chime in and *insist* that a
21-foot Bayliner has a diesel engine.

A 21-foot Bayliner requires a diesel engine to go more than 500' offshore.
That good enough Chuck?

A 21-foot Bayliner requires a diesel engine to go more than 500' offshore.
That good enough Chuck?

Only if it has spark plugs, and has to be rebuilt every 700 hours. :-)

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...if you still consider a Trophy as a
Bayliner then YES! The Trophy 2052 (21' 7" LOA - other manufacturers call
it 21 foot...Trophy calls it 20 foot) does come with a diesel. lol Link is
he
http://www.trophyfishing.com/index.a...eqtype=1 ,8,9

Of course Trophy has been it's own company since the end of 2001 but it does
have it's roots in Bayliner.

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biggest lie we've been told." Michael Moore, October 2003


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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I don't believe this thread exists. [head shakes]

Worse yet, I'm sure that somebody is about to chime in and *insist* that a
21-foot Bayliner has a diesel engine.

Mole wrote:

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...if you still consider a Trophy as a
Bayliner then YES! The Trophy 2052 (21' 7" LOA - other manufacturers call
it 21 foot...Trophy calls it 20 foot) does come with a diesel. lol Link is
he
http://www.trophyfishing.com/index.a...eqtype=1 ,8,9

Of course Trophy has been it's own company since the end of 2001 but it does
have it's roots in Bayliner.



It isn't its own company. Bayliner simply stopped using the "Bayliner"
name in connection with Trophy boats for marketing reasons.

The problem with the "diesel" Trophy has nothing to do with the fact it
is mounted in a Bayliner. The problem is that it is mounted in
conjunction with an I/O.

Hi Frank,

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would be
better off with a better quality used boat.

Capt. Frank Hopkins
www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks



"Snoopy" wrote in message
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My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
Want to be able to waterski
Carry say 8 persons
But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?

TIA
Frank

"Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Frank,

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would
be
better off with a better quality used boat.

Capt. Frank Hopkins
www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks



"Snoopy" wrote in message
...
My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
Want to be able to waterski
Carry say 8 persons
But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?

TIA
Frank



They do not sink anymore than most other boats. May be more Bayliner
sinkings, but there are more Bayliners. A 21' Bayliner, and most other 21'
boats are not going to handle 8 people very well. I have a 21' Forward
Console I/B boat and it would be really crowded with 8, I can run with 6
with comfort. And the Carib is a lot calmer most days than the Pacific
ocean off Northern Calif, and people fish a lot of Bayliners here. Most the
Trophy version.
Bill

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.)

Link, please.

To a USCG cite that establishes Bayliners have a "reputation for hull failures"

I typed in "NTSB sinking reports" on the USCG search engine and got zip. I must
be doing something wrong, and I'd love to see the source of your impression.
Thanks

"Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Frank,

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would
be
better off with a better quality used boat.

Capt. Frank Hopkins
www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks

Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

Glenn

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:37:52 -0400, "Glenn Deneweth"
wrote:

Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

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http://www.uscgboating.org/statistic...stics_2000.pdf

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:37:52 -0400, "Glenn Deneweth"
wrote:

Can't find the sinking reports, got a link?

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http://www.uscgboating.org/statistic...stics_2000.pdf


Still trying to find the statistics on the Coast Guard site, (reported by Capt.
Frank) establishing that Bayliner boats have a reputation for hull failures on
an open sea.

Scaning all 42 pages fom the link just furnished reveals *no* data broken down
by brand name.