"Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Frank,

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.) Also, the boat is built with a lot of wood, which
rots eventually. This is why they are so cheap to get into. Bayliners also
depreciate very fast too. If budget is your primary motivation, you would
be
better off with a better quality used boat.

Capt. Frank Hopkins
www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks



"Snoopy" wrote in message
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My dad is thinking about buying a sportboat.
Want to be able to waterski
Carry say 8 persons
But also maybe fish on open sea (Carib)
Also butget wise he is thinking of a Bayliner 215 Classic.
I'm wondering what is the (open) seaworthiness of such a Bayliner?

TIA
Frank



They do not sink anymore than most other boats. May be more Bayliner
sinkings, but there are more Bayliners. A 21' Bayliner, and most other 21'
boats are not going to handle 8 people very well. I have a 21' Forward
Console I/B boat and it would be really crowded with 8, I can run with 6
with comfort. And the Carib is a lot calmer most days than the Pacific
ocean off Northern Calif, and people fish a lot of Bayliners here. Most the
Trophy version.
Bill

A 21-foot Bayliner requires a diesel engine to go more than 500' offshore.
That good enough Chuck?

Only if it has spark plugs, and has to be rebuilt every 700 hours. :-)

If you are planning extensive offshore usage in anything but ideal weather
and conditions, you will want to re-think a Bayliner. Bayliners have a bad
reputation for hull failures in heavy water. (See N.T.S.B. sinking reports
at Coast Guard website.)

Link, please.

To a USCG cite that establishes Bayliners have a "reputation for hull failures"

I typed in "NTSB sinking reports" on the USCG search engine and got zip. I must
be doing something wrong, and I'd love to see the source of your impression.
Thanks

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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A 21-foot Bayliner requires a diesel engine to go more than 500'
offshore.
That good enough Chuck?

Only if it has spark plugs, and has to be rebuilt every 700 hours. :-)

Good one. I wonder at times why there are not more small diesel placed in
small fishing boats. When traveling in Europe, lots of small diesel cars.
1.5L size engines. These should make good fishing boat engines. I know
Mercruiser uses a Cummings 1.7L in some of their packages. e.g. 28' Procat.
Bill

Good one. I wonder at times why there are not more small diesel placed in
small fishing boats. When traveling in Europe, lots of small diesel cars.
1.5L size engines. These should make good fishing boat engines. I know
Mercruiser uses a Cummings 1.7L in some of their packages. e.g. 28' Procat.
Bill

I suspect we will see more diesel applications in the near future. I don't care
what the guys with the "for the price of a diesel egine I can afford to burn up
a lot of gasoline" argument say, I think the current economics of feeding 100
gph or more into twin 454's (at $2.50 -$3.00 a gallon) is going to inspire some
people who thought they had reached a gas vs. diesel conclusion to reconsider.

On 18 Jul 2004 14:10:56 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:
I suspect we will see more diesel applications in the near future. I don't care
what the guys with the "for the price of a diesel egine I can afford to burn up
a lot of gasoline" argument say, I think the current economics of feeding 100
gph or more into twin 454's (at $2.50 -$3.00 a gallon) is going to inspire some
people who thought they had reached a gas vs. diesel conclusion to reconsider.
=====================================

Let's not make this worse than it is. Twin 454s typically burn 30 to
40 gph at cruising speed (3200 RPM). I owned and fed a pair of 454s
for five years. The cost is certainly enough to make you think twice
about going out for a 3 or 4 hour ride at about $100 per hour.

I've gone to the dark side and bought a diesel trawler that has a
whole new array of options for burning money. :-)

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Good one. I wonder at times why there are not more small diesel placed
in
small fishing boats. When traveling in Europe, lots of small diesel
cars.
1.5L size engines. These should make good fishing boat engines. I know
Mercruiser uses a Cummings 1.7L in some of their packages. e.g. 28'
Procat.
Bill

I suspect we will see more diesel applications in the near future. I don't
care
what the guys with the "for the price of a diesel egine I can afford to
burn up
a lot of gasoline" argument say, I think the current economics of feeding
100
gph or more into twin 454's (at $2.50 -$3.00 a gallon) is going to inspire
some
people who thought they had reached a gas vs. diesel conclusion to
reconsider.

I am not talking about the highpower / big dollar diesels. Lots of small
econocars in Europe are diesel. Most of the small 1-2 person commercial
fishing boats, about 22' long are diesel.
Bill

Calif Bill wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Good one. I wonder at times why there are not more small diesel placed
in
small fishing boats. When traveling in Europe, lots of small diesel
cars.
1.5L size engines. These should make good fishing boat engines. I know
Mercruiser uses a Cummings 1.7L in some of their packages. e.g. 28'
Procat.
Bill

I suspect we will see more diesel applications in the near future. I don't
care
what the guys with the "for the price of a diesel egine I can afford to
burn up
a lot of gasoline" argument say, I think the current economics of feeding
100
gph or more into twin 454's (at $2.50 -$3.00 a gallon) is going to inspire
some
people who thought they had reached a gas vs. diesel conclusion to
reconsider.

I am not talking about the highpower / big dollar diesels. Lots of small
econocars in Europe are diesel. Most of the small 1-2 person commercial
fishing boats, about 22' long are diesel.
Bill



It's too bad Yanmar stopped the marketing of outboard diesels in this
country.

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...if you still consider a Trophy as a
Bayliner then YES! The Trophy 2052 (21' 7" LOA - other manufacturers call
it 21 foot...Trophy calls it 20 foot) does come with a diesel. lol Link is
he
http://www.trophyfishing.com/index.a...eqtype=1 ,8,9

Of course Trophy has been it's own company since the end of 2001 but it does
have it's roots in Bayliner.

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biggest lie we've been told." Michael Moore, October 2003


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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I don't believe this thread exists. [head shakes]

Worse yet, I'm sure that somebody is about to chime in and *insist* that a
21-foot Bayliner has a diesel engine.

Mole wrote:

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...if you still consider a Trophy as a
Bayliner then YES! The Trophy 2052 (21' 7" LOA - other manufacturers call
it 21 foot...Trophy calls it 20 foot) does come with a diesel. lol Link is
he
http://www.trophyfishing.com/index.a...eqtype=1 ,8,9

Of course Trophy has been it's own company since the end of 2001 but it does
have it's roots in Bayliner.



It isn't its own company. Bayliner simply stopped using the "Bayliner"
name in connection with Trophy boats for marketing reasons.

The problem with the "diesel" Trophy has nothing to do with the fact it
is mounted in a Bayliner. The problem is that it is mounted in
conjunction with an I/O.