On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:56:31 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical.

If I had to, I'd guess the political arguments are based on security
arguments. I've done weird crap to work around overactive (and usually
misguided and counterproductive) security policies, and this sounds like
just the sort of thing that would enable you to say "Nope, no IP connection
here."

Exactly.

Steve

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century. ARPANET is
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooong since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

On 16 Jul 2004 04:10:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you have been over served. go sleep it off.

Joxitchby's way of saying he knows he's an idiot.

Steve



"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

Another non-sequitor and stupid statement by you. Usenet did not depend
on arpanet either. You could read and post to usenet newgroups without
an arpanet or what it has become (internet) connection, and still can.

Steve


Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it
from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is 15 to 20 year obsolete. you had
better spruce up your skill set if you intend to stay employed. of course, if
your intention is to retire on unemployment benefits ...


From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 8:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century. ARPANET
is
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooong since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

USENET over UUCP

UUCP is long since dead in the commercial world. Not as long dead as KSR 33's,
but close.

On 16 Jul 2004 13:31:05 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

USENET over UUCP

UUCP is long since dead in the commercial world. Not as long dead as KSR 33's,
but close.

Which in no way means you must use an ISP to read a usenet newsgroup,
like you claimed. Of course, vinyl records are long dead in the
commercial world. That doesn't mean you can't play records, or even buy
new ones in select outlets. Same thing with UUCP, only it's even more
available. It's still included in just about every unix and unix-like
OS release.

Steve

On 16 Jul 2004 13:28:25 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is 15 to 20 year obsolete. you had
better spruce up your skill set if you intend to stay employed. of course, if
your intention is to retire on unemployment benefits ...

Jox, you prove every time you post that your knowledge base in
everything is nonexistant.

Steve


From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 8:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century. ARPANET
is
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooong since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

It's still included in just about every unix and unix-like
OS release.

so is TTY, and if you work at it, Baudot

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is *almost* as bad as your knowledge
base in boats. Your knowledge base, however, in things engine is less than
zero.

I do hope you have left the telecom industry twenty years back, for if not you
are totally unemployable today, except in some grandfathered gov job.

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is 15 to 20 year obsolete. you had
better spruce up your skill set if you intend to stay employed. of course,
if
your intention is to retire on unemployment benefits ...

Jox, you prove every time you post that your knowledge base in
everything is nonexistant.

Steve


From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 8:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century.
ARPANET
is
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooong
since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically
possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

On 16 Jul 2004 14:13:17 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is *almost* as bad as your knowledge
base in boats. Your knowledge base, however, in things engine is less than
zero.

I do hope you have left the telecom industry twenty years back, for if not you
are totally unemployable today, except in some grandfathered gov job.

You're the one who doesn't even know that the DoD has their own router
based network separate from the internet for stuff they don't want you
to be able to see. Probably because it's too new for you... it only
started up around 10 years ago.

I'll give you a hint: just google up SIPRNET and learn something for a
change.

Steve