"Don White" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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Hi Don! Go Lightening! ;-)

Rub it in! Did you see who was voted most valuable player? A good 'ole
Maritime boy from Prince Edward Island.
He gave our Mooseheads jr hockey club fits when we hosted the Memorial Cup
in 2000.
see http://canoe.ca/CHLMemorialCup00/



And he knew were to go to play professional hockey.

A Florida team wins the Stanley Cup....pretty embarrassing for you Canucks.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in message
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****tard wrote:
NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except
maybe a world class ********.

Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they
have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars.

Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't
have real BBQ.

DSK

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.
Been to a play on Peachtree?
Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier?
Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!)
Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain?
Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs?
Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)?
Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where
the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)?
Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain?
Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for
a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.?
Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains?
Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics?
Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves?
(guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!)
Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas?
Really studied the great history of the area?
I could go on....

Add 'inferiority complex' to the list of other mental problems you have
asskisser.

Yes. To both questions.

LOL, I almost blew coffee out my nose. Bass is living proof that monkeys do
mate with chimpanzee.


"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly,
despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a
highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers
were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason
Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker"
and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor
speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the
text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking
extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public
approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he
was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the
same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton,
or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental.
Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist;
leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the
Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief
during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches
tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

Yes. To both questions.

You have to be very proud of 'asskisser. He truly represents the brainpower
of the left.

jim-- wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??


Yes. To both questions.


You have to be very proud of 'asskisser. He truly represents the brainpower
of the left.



Nice try, **** for brains, but my response was to the header...

Bush is a moron, and he plays one on TV.


I haven't been following this string closely. Ar eyou right-wing
retards trying to compare Bush's intelligence to Jefferson's? If, on the
scale of intelligence, where 100 is the highest possible number,
Jefferson would be in the 90s. Bush would be in the 50's.

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:xtYxc.76404$Ly.26357@attbi_s01...
LOL, I almost blew coffee out my nose. Bass is living proof that
monkeys do
mate with chimpanzee.

Not sure about that, but obivously his family tree only has one branch
with a few loops in it :-)




"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And
I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has
the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly,
despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a
highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers
were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason
Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor
speaker"
and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle
stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor
speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating
the
text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking
extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public
approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."


http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent
man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that
he
was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address
him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in
the
same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter,
Hamilton,
or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental.
Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of
the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist;
leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the
Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief
during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches
tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

NOYB wrote:
I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.

200? Shucks, if you type in "Nobby", "Moron", and "Bestiality" you get
more Google hits than that.

The history references I am familiar with do not refer to any of these
guys as poor speakers.


Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.


Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Well, you selected this list as "proof" that "poor speakers are the the
most brilliant" and your selected list was neither notably brilliant
(except Jefferson) nor notably poor speakers (except that Jefferson was
rarely an impressive speaker, and may have been occasionally referenced
as a poor one).

None of the people you listed were referred as mumbling and
mispronouncing words, misusing words, and generally giving the
impression of being an illiterate dolt when speaking in public.

So your theory remains unproven and supported mainly by your willingness
to hurl insults. Better line up the sock puppets to join in, it won't
prove anything but it'll make you feel better.

DSK

basskisser wrote:
Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.

I guess not. I only lived there for a while and have only a dozen or so
friends in the area that we visit regularly.

Been to a play on Peachtree?

No, I don't go to plays.

Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier?

No, I don't go to resorts. I have sailed & raced on Lake Lanier many
times. It's nice but it's far from "world class."

Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!)

Yep. There are a lot of good restaurants in Atlanta... a lot of
overpriced crap, too. I would rate Atlanta pretty far down the scale
with regard to restaurants. The Triangle area has much better. And there
are other big cities with more too.

Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain?

Nope

Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs?

Yep. A fair amount of collaborative projects with NC State. Plus the
Georgia Tech sailing team is pretty cool.

Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)?

Yep. People going to hell have to change planes in Atlanta. Doesn't make
it a good thing.

Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where
the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)?

Yep

Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain?

Yep

Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for
a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.?

There are much better music fairs in NC, especially bluegrass. For
classic music Atlanta can't even begin to compare with one of the really
"world class" venues.

Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains?

Kids play in fountains lots of places.

Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics?

Just the sailing, and that was in Savannah.

Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves?

Yep. Turner doesn't strike me as "fabulous" though.

(guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!)

At one point the Braves were in the cellar too.

Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas?
Really studied the great history of the area?

Actually I used to host Civil War tours in the Atlanta area. So yeah,
that too.

I could go on....

No need. Obviously you're very impressed with Atlanta. That's a good
thing, but it doesn't make Atlanta "world class" in all those respects.

All I can say is, if you don't like the Varsity then what the heck are
you even doing in Georgia?

DSK

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly,
despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a
highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers
were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason
Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker"
and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor
speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the
text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking
extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public
approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he
was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the
same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton,
or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental.
Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist;
leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the
Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief
during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches
tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

No, you idiot. I've stated that many historically "poor speakers" were
brilliant men...which is why you shouldn't judge someone's intelligence
based solely on his ability (or lack of ability) to speak in public.