OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

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Doug Kanter wrote:

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Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few
Asians

you

meet and see sort of reaction you get?

"With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will
kick

your

nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look
at
my
face. I'm an Oriental."

Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987)




Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more
education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I
said
that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies.



Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious
books...


I don't think "They Still Call Me Bruce" was offered in written
format.
I'll be sure to check next time I'm at my local library.




You know, despite your absolute ignorance, social ineptitude, bad
manners and political incorrectness, I'd still go fishing with you and
possibly let you examine my toofs. Even though you really are an
asshole.

Top that.

If that ever happens, please give me advance notice. I'll bring the cinder
blocks, chains, and ammo.


You guys sure have funny ways of catching fish up north.

OT--why argue over the word "Grecian"?
 

.... NOBBY
and some of his whacko pals (or are they all sock puppets?) are actually
stupid enough to think the word "Grecian" can be used to denote people
in/from Greece


NOYB wrote:
I never said that.

Oh? Then you agree that George W. Bush Jr. is a moron for using it that way?

DSK

OT--why argue over the word "Grecian"?
 

NOYB wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

Let's try this one last time. If you don't answer the question in a

fashion

judged to be sensible by me and perhaps DSK, we'll all interpret it to

mean

that you are finally admitting that you're wrong. Ready?

Please don't drag me into this any further. I can't believe that NOBBY
and some of his whacko pals (or are they all sock puppets?) are actually
stupid enough to think the word "Grecian" can be used to denote people
in/from Greece


I never said that. The originator of the whole argument (****tard)

Nope. I didn't start it.

tried to
say that the word "grecian" is only an adjective and never a noun...even
though every dictionary lists it as both.

That came later. Initially, I insisted that Uncurious
George's use of the word to refer to contemporary
Greeks is wrong. I am right: it is wrong.

You STOOOOOOOOPIDLY chose to try to defend it, because
you're an unthinking, uncritical, stupid conservative
****bag.

Initially, Doug was arguing the
same thing. When shown that they were wrong, Doug had twisted the topic of
debate to imply that I was arguing that people in modern times call Greek
people "Grecians".

That's simply not the argument that I was making.



; and furthermore they're stupid enough to spend alot of

time trying to prove it.

The question is, why are you bothering to argue with them? You need to
get out more, Doug!



Hehehe. At least we agree on this one.

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

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NOYB wrote:

"****tard" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:


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I imagine these same ****wits who are insisting
"Grecian" is correct also still want to call Asians
"Orientals".

Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians
you
meet and see sort of reaction you get?



Here's a neat link, Doug. The term "Oriental" rates a big, fat ZERO on

the

"disparagement scale" of the "Offensiveness Quotient".

Look at the definition of "oriental" in ANY on-line
dictionary (we know you don't own a printed one). The
definition meaning "Asian person" is ALWAYS indicated
as offensive. Always.


And "Grecian" is always indicated as an adjective *OR* a *NOUN*.

No, it isn't.

It certainly is...at least according to the same "on-line-dictionary" litmus
test you used for the word "oriental".

OT--why argue over the word "Grecian"?
 

Ah ha! Then why are YOU following ME around like a lost dog?


NOYB wrote:
Huh? You're the one posting in *my* thread.

Ahem... *whose* thread??? Please note the subject header, gentlemen.

BTW Doug, IMHO this thread is prime evidence that NOBBY is really a
rabid Socialist who is actually posting as though he were a Bush fan, in
order to make Bush look worse. Didja catch the tacit admission that Bush
is in fact a moron and that you dadgum liberals were twisting his words
again?

DSK

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"****tard" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"****tard" wrote in message news:w5pxc.7005



I imagine these same ****wits who are insisting
"Grecian" is correct also still want to call Asians
"Orientals".

Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians you
meet and see sort of reaction you get?



Here's a neat link, Doug. The term "Oriental" rates a big, fat ZERO on
the
"disparagement scale" of the "Offensiveness Quotient".

Look at the definition of "oriental" in ANY on-line
dictionary (we know you don't own a printed one). The
definition meaning "Asian person" is ALWAYS indicated
as offensive. Always.


Not he

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Oriental

or here

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/oriental%20person

or here

http://www.wordiq.com/dictionary/oriental.html

In fact, I cannot find anything on the net that refers to the use of the
word Oriental as offensive.

OT--why argue over the word "Grecian"?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
.... NOBBY
and some of his whacko pals (or are they all sock puppets?) are actually
stupid enough to think the word "Grecian" can be used to denote people
in/from Greece


NOYB wrote:
I never said that.

Oh? Then you agree that George W. Bush Jr. is a moron for using it that
way?

Some people who do not speak well in front of TV cameras or large audiences,
are terrific speakers in smaller discussion groups, at social functions, and
in one-on-one dialogue. I believe this describes Bush. Go look at what
some of the 9/11 panel members (including the partisan ben-Veniste) had to
say about Bush's performance before their committee.

So to answer your question: no I don't think Bush is a moron for having
misspoke.

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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News sources? Since when do 'news sources" make something credible?????

Duh....

1) Because they sometimes quote real people.
2) Because they're produced by people who are trained to write in a style
acceptable to the largest audience, and who adhere to rules of common usage
as stated in such books as "The AP Stylebook".
3) Because you can find many examples of words being used in certain ways,
and by sheer weight of numbers, they make it clear that when just ONE person
uses a word another way, it's either because they're uneducated, or the word
is being used that way as an affectation. Like Bush's use of "Grecian".


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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/03/politics/03CODE.html
How to Break a Code, Ever Since the Days of the Sphinx
By JOHN SCHWARTZ

Code makers and code breakers have danced a dance of secrecy and revelation
throughout recorded history. Allegations that Ahmad Chalabi, the Iraqi
leader and former Bush administration ally, disclosed to an Iranian official
that the United States had cracked the code used by its intelligence service
is only the most recent example.

The ancient Egyptians and Greeks used the simple scytale, a rod with a strip
of paper wrapped around it. Codemakers wrote their messages lengthwise along
the rod and would then unwrap the paper; the recipient wrapped the paper
around another rod of the same diameter to read the message. But anyone with
the right rod could read the message, too.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/06/bo...06TRAVELL.html

Sarrinikolaou explores numerous sides of Athens -- the slums and the rich
suburbs, the church and the soccer stadium -- as he considers the uneasy
relationship of so many modern Greeks with tradition and the past,
interspersing these observations with memories from his own childhood. If
today's Athens is ruled by cynicism and opportunism, he reflects, there are
ample reasons for it: ''In the span since this nation was founded, its
leaders have turned on each other and on the people; they have sided with
tyrants, killers and other assorted monsters, while, all along, they have
stolen from the public coffers.''

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http://travel2.nytimes.com/mem/trave...56C0A9629C8B63
AROUND THE MEDITERRANEAN; TRUE HOME COOKING, GREEK STYLE
By DIANE KOCHILAS

IT was a driving trek of heroic proportions up the dirt road from Rethimno,
the historic seaside fort city on the northern coast of Crete, to the tiny
village of Potamous, on one of those dusty Greek-island dirt roads that are
less daunting than they seem, but nonetheless make every passenger but the
driver look like they just stepped off a cyclone. On a friend's
recommendation, I was heading, with my husband, Vassili Stenos, to this
practically unpopulated village about an hour's drive into the mountains to
eat.

After our exploring and eating around the island, I understand why Greeks
consider Crete their culinary cradle, a place where the food traditions of
the whole Aegean culminate. Crete's well-defined cuisine is shaped by the
seasons and by a well-honed sense of versatility. Although the same simple
ingredients are used again and again, local cooks use them to create a whole
spectrum of different dishes. At any time of the year, the food is
memorable, as long as you are sampling the real thing.

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9629C8B 63
Achilles' temperament -- a volatile mixture of vanity, cynicism and
sentimentality -- is the key to the movie, and Mr. Pitt attacks the role
with the same vigor and agility the character demonstrates in combat. Yes,
his accent sounds a bit like Madonna's, perhaps in deference to the mostly
English and Australian actors who make up most of the cast, but for once he
does not seem embarrassed by his charisma, or driven to subvert it with
actorish tics. Achilles' narcissism is like that of a modern celebrity: he
fights because it will bring him fame, not to serve the gods or the glory of
the Greek nation or, least of all, his corrupt king. His true loyalty is to
individuals -- his beloved cousin Patroclus (Garrett Hedlund), his ruthless
Myrmidons and his love interest, the captured Trojan priestess Briseis (Rose
Byrne) -- rather than to causes.

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:01:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:04:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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Let's try this one last time. If you don't answer the question in a
fashion
judged to be sensible by me and perhaps DSK, we'll all interpret it to
mean
that you are finally admitting that you're wrong. Ready?

Please point out 10 examples of "Grecian" being used in the last 100
years
to describe Greeks. Poetry is not an option, nor are examples where
"Grecian" was used as an affectation. And, your president's example is
not
allowed in the list of 10. The correct examples would be news sources,
especially if one or more of them involved actual persons of Greek origin
discussing themselves or their culture.


Is that the new 'pass-fail' criteria now? If you and/or DSK don't approve,
then
no one in the group approves? I don't remember subscribing to that
philosophy!

Read it again, John. This exercise is NOT based on opinions. It is based on
simple numbers. NOYB will not find 10 examples of modern usage of the word
"Grecian". If somehow he does, we only need to count them, not judge them.


Doug, do you realize how much you are emulating b'asskisser?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

OT--why argue over the word "Grecian"?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Let's try this one last time. If you don't answer the question in
a
fashion
judged to be sensible by me and perhaps DSK, we'll all interpret
it
to
mean
that you are finally admitting that you're wrong. Ready?

Please don't drag me into this any further. I can't believe that
NOBBY
and some of his whacko pals (or are they all sock puppets?) are
actually
stupid enough to think the word "Grecian" can be used to denote
people
in/from Greece

I never said that. The originator of the whole argument (****tard)
tried
to
say that the word "grecian" is only an adjective and never a
noun...even
though every dictionary lists it as both. Initially, Doug was arguing
the
same thing. When shown that they were wrong, Doug had twisted the
topic
of
debate to imply that I was arguing that people in modern times call
Greek
people "Grecians".

That's simply not the argument that I was making.



; and furthermore they're stupid enough to spend alot of
time trying to prove it.

The question is, why are you bothering to argue with them? You need
to
get out more, Doug!


Hehehe. At least we agree on this one.



Ah ha! Then why are YOU following ME around like a lost dog?


Huh? You're the one posting in *my* thread.



So, you posted without expecting responses???