Now, *this* is a nice swerve. Let me clarify for you: What's dishonest is
the suggestion that the current BLS numbers are counting burger flipping as
a manufacturing job.

So, if you can stop calling me a "liar" for a moment, let's explore two
important questions.

1) In light of the statements made in late Feb that the definition of
manufacturing jobs should be expanded to include fast food workers, how do you
*know* that there are no burger flipping jobs included in the report? Do you
have a breakdown of the employees in the mfg category, by specific occupation?

((Don't overlook the fact that it was Bush who raised the question about adding
burger flippers to the manufacturing jobs numbers, in the Presidents Economic
Report. This isn't some DNC generated rumor, it's in writing in an official
presidential document))

2) If the current report does not include burger flippers in the manufacturing
jobs section, what assurance do we have (again, in light of the President's own
Economic Report) that they will not be included in the future? Has Bush
publicly renounced his idea to include fast food workers in the manufacturing
category? If so, I'd be eager to see a published report of his policy reversal.

Let's not lose sight of one important fact here. We both agree that it would be
dishonest to pump up the "manufacturing jobs" numbers by including mini wage
burger flippers.

Hypothetically; If you discovered Bush *had* pumped up the mfg jobs numbers by
including fast food workers, would you defend his doing so?

Nevertheless, you said "burger flippers *WERE* reclassified as manufacturing
workers".

That's a lie.



See there. You believe the president even one time, (when he says that burger
flipping is to be reclassified as a manufacturing job), and you're left swingin
in the wind.

Why do you suppose he said the administration was going to make the
reclassification, if they did not?

Gould 0738 wrote:

Now, *this* is a nice swerve. Let me clarify for you: What's dishonest is
the suggestion that the current BLS numbers are counting burger flipping as
a manufacturing job.


So, if you can stop calling me a "liar" for a moment, let's explore two
important questions.

1) In light of the statements made in late Feb that the definition of
manufacturing jobs should be expanded to include fast food workers, how do you
*know* that there are no burger flipping jobs included in the report? Do you
have a breakdown of the employees in the mfg category, by specific occupation?

((Don't overlook the fact that it was Bush who raised the question about adding
burger flippers to the manufacturing jobs numbers, in the Presidents Economic
Report. This isn't some DNC generated rumor, it's in writing in an official
presidential document))

2) If the current report does not include burger flippers in the manufacturing
jobs section, what assurance do we have (again, in light of the President's own
Economic Report) that they will not be included in the future? Has Bush
publicly renounced his idea to include fast food workers in the manufacturing
category? If so, I'd be eager to see a published report of his policy reversal.

Let's not lose sight of one important fact here. We both agree that it would be
dishonest to pump up the "manufacturing jobs" numbers by including mini wage
burger flippers.

Hypothetically; If you discovered Bush *had* pumped up the mfg jobs numbers by
including fast food workers, would you defend his doing so?



A. It would be useful to know what kinds of jobs were added, and what
they pay, and what benefits they include.

B. It is worthwhile to point out that at best, by election, Bush will be
less than even with the number of jobs added to the economy during the
Clinton years. In other words, we still are not back where we were in
the good old Clinton years.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Hypothetically; If you discovered Bush *had* pumped up the mfg jobs
numbers by
including fast food workers, would you defend his doing so?

No.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Nevertheless, you said "burger flippers *WERE* reclassified as
manufacturing
workers".

That's a lie.



See there. You believe the president even one time, (when he says that
burger
flipping is to be reclassified as a manufacturing job), and you're left
swingin
in the wind.

Why do you suppose he said the administration was going to make the
reclassification, if they did not?

I didn't read the Economic Report...only the commentary of liberal pundits.
I'll read the report and give you my perspective...which I'm sure will be
different from that of the liberal pundits.

Gould 0738 wrote:

Nevertheless, you said "burger flippers *WERE* reclassified as manufacturing
workers".

That's a lie.




See there. You believe the president even one time, (when he says that burger
flipping is to be reclassified as a manufacturing job), and you're left swingin
in the wind.

Why do you suppose he said the administration was going to make the
reclassification, if they did not?



It is indisputable that the Bush Administration lies about almost
everything.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:

Now, *this* is a nice swerve. Let me clarify for you: What's dishonest
is
the suggestion that the current BLS numbers are counting burger flipping
as
a manufacturing job.


So, if you can stop calling me a "liar" for a moment, let's explore two
important questions.

1) In light of the statements made in late Feb that the definition of
manufacturing jobs should be expanded to include fast food workers, how
do you
*know* that there are no burger flipping jobs included in the report? Do
you
have a breakdown of the employees in the mfg category, by specific
occupation?

((Don't overlook the fact that it was Bush who raised the question about
adding
burger flippers to the manufacturing jobs numbers, in the Presidents
Economic
Report. This isn't some DNC generated rumor, it's in writing in an
official
presidential document))

2) If the current report does not include burger flippers in the
manufacturing
jobs section, what assurance do we have (again, in light of the
President's own
Economic Report) that they will not be included in the future? Has Bush
publicly renounced his idea to include fast food workers in the
manufacturing
category? If so, I'd be eager to see a published report of his policy
reversal.

Let's not lose sight of one important fact here. We both agree that it
would be
dishonest to pump up the "manufacturing jobs" numbers by including mini
wage
burger flippers.

Hypothetically; If you discovered Bush *had* pumped up the mfg jobs
numbers by
including fast food workers, would you defend his doing so?



A. It would be useful to know what kinds of jobs were added, and what
they pay, and what benefits they include.

It would be useful to know what kinds of jobs were lost in the preceding 3
years, and what they paid, and what benefits they included.


B. It is worthwhile to point out that at best, by election, Bush will be
less than even with the number of jobs added to the economy during the
Clinton years. In other words, we still are not back where we were in
the good old Clinton years.

Oh, how quick your tone changes. I notice you're no longer spouting off
about the "3 million jobs lost". Regardless, we'll have more jobs at the
end of Bush's term than at any point during the Clinton years.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:

Nevertheless, you said "burger flippers *WERE* reclassified as
manufacturing
workers".

That's a lie.




See there. You believe the president even one time, (when he says that
burger
flipping is to be reclassified as a manufacturing job), and you're left
swingin
in the wind.

Why do you suppose he said the administration was going to make the
reclassification, if they did not?



It is indisputable that the Bush Administration lies about almost
everything.

I guess the old adage applies he it takes one to know one. I also guess
that's why I don't see the lies that you claim Bush is telling.

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Gould 0738 wrote:


Nevertheless, you said "burger flippers *WERE* reclassified as

manufacturing

workers".

That's a lie.




See there. You believe the president even one time, (when he says that

burger

flipping is to be reclassified as a manufacturing job), and you're left

swingin

in the wind.

Why do you suppose he said the administration was going to make the
reclassification, if they did not?



It is indisputable that the Bush Administration lies about almost
everything.


I guess the old adage applies he it takes one to know one. I also guess
that's why I don't see the lies that you claim Bush is telling.




Of course you don't; you never will, no matter what.

Hypothetically; If you discovered Bush *had* pumped up the mfg jobs
numbers by
including fast food workers, would you defend his doing so?

No.


Good answer. :-)

Now, do you have a list of the occupations included in the "mfg. jobs" section
of the report you noted? I went to the bls website
you referred to, and found a gazillion reports, files, etc etc etc going back
many years. Can you offer a more definitive link that will demonstrate that in
spite of the administration's stated intention to reclassify burger flipping as
a manufacturing job, they have not, in fact, done so? (Or had not done so in
the time period covered by the report?)

I'd really like to be wrong on this one. It would be better all around if the
administration wasn't pumping up the number of manufacturing jobs merely by
expanding the number of job classifications defined as "manufacturing."