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Old September 4th 05, 02:50 PM
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Seems to me to be a dreadful waste of resources to attempt to rebuild NO.
Especially in the existing location??? Typically, buildings soaked in flood
waters for weeks are not economically repairable. High rises being a
noteable exception. Imagine a home soaked to the ceiling in a soup of sea
water, sewage, oil, chemicals, dead bodies, etc. What could possibly be
salvaged from a home like that? Not a currently politically correct idea, I
know, but logic should prevail at least once every decade or so.

It's certainly necessary to have a port for the lower Mississippi River to
deal with cargo transfers from ocean going vessels to river going vessels
and vice versa. But can't we think of abetter location? Perhaps somewhere
a couple of feet above sea level?

Could Baton Rouge take over the function?

Nothing against NO and it was a fun and easy place to visit from Mobile but
it would be hard to find a much worse place for a city on the lower
Mississippi.

Butch



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Old September 4th 05, 04:41 PM
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:50:50 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote:

Seems to me to be a dreadful waste of resources to attempt to rebuild NO.
Especially in the existing location??? Typically, buildings soaked in flood
waters for weeks are not economically repairable. High rises being a
noteable exception. Imagine a home soaked to the ceiling in a soup of sea
water, sewage, oil, chemicals, dead bodies, etc. What could possibly be
salvaged from a home like that? Not a currently politically correct idea, I
know, but logic should prevail at least once every decade or so.

It's certainly necessary to have a port for the lower Mississippi River to
deal with cargo transfers from ocean going vessels to river going vessels
and vice versa. But can't we think of abetter location? Perhaps somewhere
a couple of feet above sea level?

Could Baton Rouge take over the function?

Nothing against NO and it was a fun and easy place to visit from Mobile but
it would be hard to find a much worse place for a city on the lower
Mississippi.

Butch


Before repairing a single window the levee situation for the entire area should
be rebuilt. (Heard that on 'Meet the Press') Sounds like a decent idea.

We should get the Dutch over here and redesign the entire area.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
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Old September 4th 05, 05:25 PM
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:41:59 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


Before repairing a single window the levee situation for the entire area
should be rebuilt. (Heard that on 'Meet the Press') Sounds like a decent
idea.

We should get the Dutch over here and redesign the entire area.


Hurricanes aren't the only gun pointed at New Orleans. The Mississippi
River has been wanting to switch it's channel.

http://users.stlcc.edu/jangert/oldriver/oldriver.html

Still, I don't know if there is any precedent for moving a million people.
Although, my guess is that many of New Orleans residents won't be going
back.
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Old September 5th 05, 12:25 AM
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Was talking to my next door neighbor, a NO native, this AM on the subject.
He recommends, and I agree, that it would do a great job to allow the river
to flow through the damaged area and load it up with silt. while demolishing
the weak structures and covering the low ones. It would also scour the area
of all the nasty flood water currently polluting the area. Just let her rip
for a couple of years and the job is done.

Butch
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:50:50 GMT, "Butch Davis"
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Seems to me to be a dreadful waste of resources to attempt to rebuild NO.
Especially in the existing location??? Typically, buildings soaked in
flood
waters for weeks are not economically repairable. High rises being a
noteable exception. Imagine a home soaked to the ceiling in a soup of sea
water, sewage, oil, chemicals, dead bodies, etc. What could possibly be
salvaged from a home like that? Not a currently politically correct idea,
I
know, but logic should prevail at least once every decade or so.

It's certainly necessary to have a port for the lower Mississippi River to
deal with cargo transfers from ocean going vessels to river going vessels
and vice versa. But can't we think of abetter location? Perhaps
somewhere
a couple of feet above sea level?

Could Baton Rouge take over the function?

Nothing against NO and it was a fun and easy place to visit from Mobile
but
it would be hard to find a much worse place for a city on the lower
Mississippi.

Butch



Scrape the place clean and start over!
They have a river there. They should fill the river with barges of
dirt and make a mountain where the bowl used to be. Don't screw around
with the little machines you see on the side of the road. Get strip
mioning dirt haulers in there and git'r done.
They can dyke the French Quarter and a few other historic districts
but they need to raise the areas that the bulk of the population lives
in.



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Old September 6th 05, 01:01 AM
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Harry,

In our lifetimes Harry NO will not be on her feet. That is, unless the US
taxpayers are willing to cough up the $$$ required for the most massive,
costly public works project in the history of this or any other country.
You think the Panama Canal was a big job? It all sounds good and kinda
touchey feeley now but I suspect when the cost becomes known the notion of
rebuilding NO will die.

The quarter, which was virtually untouched by the catastrophe, will no doubt
be back on it's feet soon. The high rise hotels may well be up and running
soon, too. But the real city is gone forever. I'll certainly miss it as I
have spent a lot of wonderful time there as it is only a few hours from
mobile.

We'll see won't we?

Butch
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Butch Davis wrote:
Was talking to my next door neighbor, a NO native, this AM on the
subject. He recommends, and I agree, that it would do a great job to
allow the river to flow through the damaged area and load it up with
silt. while demolishing the weak structures and covering the low ones.
It would also scour the area of all the nasty flood water currently
polluting the area. Just let her rip for a couple of years and the job
is done.



How nice of you. I visit NO every chance I get, and I hope to do so again,
when she is on her feet.





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Old September 6th 05, 02:34 PM
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Harry,

I live in a Mobile suburb (Spanish Fort). I feel very lucky that we were
not hurt badly. We've had a lot of bad storms lately but in the 12 years
I've lived here this one was the worst although last September's Ivan was
pretty bad.

As I said, I feel lucky. My loss was only around $10K and I'm well insured
with a replacement cost premium. I'll only be out the deductible. The best
news is that the boat was unscratched as were the vehicles all of which were
outside.

The boat has a towing cover and I decided to leave it on for this storm as
it seems always to fill to the top of the hull with mostly tree debris in
hurricanes. The little experiment was a success as the cover appears
unharmed and the boat had only three leaves in it that entered around the
motor cutout. Does this paragraph make this an on topic post?

We disagree on the Irag issue but I'm a retired soldier and you are among
the most vocal anti-military people I've encountered. Even well before 9-11
your views on our defenders were well known. Is this a wonderful country,
or what? All this disagreement but we can pull together when necessary.

Butch
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Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

In our lifetimes Harry NO will not be on her feet. That is, unless the
US taxpayers are willing to cough up the $$$ required for the most
massive, costly public works project in the history of this or any other
country. You think the Panama Canal was a big job?


We're pouring $2 billion a week down the toilet in Iraq, to no good end.
We've blown close to $300 billion there already on Bush's folly.

We should stop that spending, and use those funds to rebuild and make safe
our Gulf Coast.

I really don't give a crap about the Iraqis. I do care about Americans
suffering in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama, and the impact on those
states that have graciously taken them in to their bosom.





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