Doug,
As China continues to expand it manufacture capacity and it's citizens
continue to increase their consumption of oil, the price of oil will
continue to increase. I hate this as much as you do, because I too buy gas
and heat my home. The truth is the only way we can change this is to find
alternative energy and more efficient ways to use oil. If we nationalize
the oil industry, it is not going to change the long term problem. If we
elect a democratic house, senate and president, it still is not going to
change the long term direction. Al Gore wrote a book (I think it was about
10 yrs ago) that forecasted this exact situation we are faced with today.

It is time to face the facts, oil is a finite resource and we are using it
up very fast.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Well....at least we know that the vehicles from the big 3 will be gone
within a few years. As far as the figures for the big trucks, I think you
have to subtract those sold to people who actually MUST have such vehicles
for their work. That would leave us with real numbers for the yahoos who
buy "a hemi" just because they feel like it.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I know you prefer to talk to the experienced salepeople to determine
buying patterns, but I found it easier to look at sales history.
These gas guzzlers purchased in 2004 will continue to guzzle gas for the
next 15 - 20 yrs.



Best-selling vehicles

Car First-half 2004 sales Base price
. Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
. Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
. Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
. Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
. Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
. Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
. Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
. Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
. Chevrolet Impala 139,460 22,395
. Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Stop into a Toyota or Honda dealer, ask to speak briefly to their most
experienced salesperson, and ask what's selling. Or, you could just look
around. I agree that too many gas pigs are sold to people who have
absolutely zero need for a truck of any kind, but that doesn't negate
the
fact that cars like Corollas and Civics are selling like hotcakes, and
they're not even in the category of "high efficiency", compared to
vehicles like the Prius (50+ mpg).



"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
What is silly is your inability to see the obvious. There is one
reason
for the increase of gas prices. There is an increase in demand,
without
any increase in supply. Consumers will not pay for better fuel
efficient
cars until the cost of the gas guzzlers make it worth their while. The
fact that a few people buy fuel efficient cars, does not negate the
fact
that too many people are buying gas guzzling SUV and Trucks, while
keeping their home thermostat set at 78 degrees.

Heck even Al Gore who was dumb as dirt, knew you had to raise the cost
of
gas to make it economically viable to find alternative energy sources.
Al's idea was to tax gas $3/gal and use the tax to find alternative
energy.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Most of the people in rec.boats who complain about the price of gas,
are driving trucks with low mpg and boats that burn tons of gas. If
they really were concerned about the price of gas, they would buy a
hybrid car and a either a trawler or sailboat.

They refuse to see the obvious. Consumers will not buy a fuel
efficient car or boat, or pay for alternative energy sources until
the
cost of petrol fuels make it worth while to do so.

That's silly. There are plenty of fuel efficient cars being sold. It's
been that way for years. Even a basic Corolla gets over 30 mpg. Same
with models from Honda. Dealers don't need to whore these out with
stupid "employee discount" offers, as do the big 3.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Regular grade gasoline was $3.05 a gallon yesterday at several docks in
Annapolis. Diesel was $2.61 to $2.65.

Thanks, Dubya.

If you really believe it's Bush's fault, you lost all credibility you had.

Harry Krause wrote:
Regular grade gasoline was $3.05 a gallon yesterday at several docks in
Annapolis. Diesel was $2.61 to $2.65.

Thanks, Dubya.


With my small 6hp Evinrude, I can buy gas anywhere.
Here, at self-service pumps, regular gas is still $1.13 CDN per liter
Thank George for me too!

True, but this does not address the current issue: The price of oil, as it
stands today, is not related to supply or demand. It is where it is because
the price has been bid up to current levels based purely on speculation.
This is no different than the way tech stocks were inflated all out of
proportion a few years ago.


"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
As China continues to expand it manufacture capacity and it's citizens
continue to increase their consumption of oil, the price of oil will
continue to increase. I hate this as much as you do, because I too buy
gas and heat my home. The truth is the only way we can change this is to
find alternative energy and more efficient ways to use oil. If we
nationalize the oil industry, it is not going to change the long term
problem. If we elect a democratic house, senate and president, it still
is not going to change the long term direction. Al Gore wrote a book (I
think it was about 10 yrs ago) that forecasted this exact situation we are
faced with today.

It is time to face the facts, oil is a finite resource and we are using it
up very fast.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Well....at least we know that the vehicles from the big 3 will be gone
within a few years. As far as the figures for the big trucks, I think you
have to subtract those sold to people who actually MUST have such
vehicles for their work. That would leave us with real numbers for the
yahoos who buy "a hemi" just because they feel like it.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I know you prefer to talk to the experienced salepeople to determine
buying patterns, but I found it easier to look at sales history.
These gas guzzlers purchased in 2004 will continue to guzzle gas for the
next 15 - 20 yrs.



Best-selling vehicles

Car First-half 2004 sales Base
price
. Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
. Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
. Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
. Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
. Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
. Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
. Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
. Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
. Chevrolet Impala 139,460 22,395
. Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Stop into a Toyota or Honda dealer, ask to speak briefly to their most
experienced salesperson, and ask what's selling. Or, you could just
look
around. I agree that too many gas pigs are sold to people who have
absolutely zero need for a truck of any kind, but that doesn't negate
the
fact that cars like Corollas and Civics are selling like hotcakes, and
they're not even in the category of "high efficiency", compared to
vehicles like the Prius (50+ mpg).



"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
What is silly is your inability to see the obvious. There is one
reason
for the increase of gas prices. There is an increase in demand,
without
any increase in supply. Consumers will not pay for better fuel
efficient
cars until the cost of the gas guzzlers make it worth their while.
The
fact that a few people buy fuel efficient cars, does not negate the
fact
that too many people are buying gas guzzling SUV and Trucks, while
keeping their home thermostat set at 78 degrees.

Heck even Al Gore who was dumb as dirt, knew you had to raise the cost
of
gas to make it economically viable to find alternative energy sources.
Al's idea was to tax gas $3/gal and use the tax to find alternative
energy.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Most of the people in rec.boats who complain about the price of
gas,
are driving trucks with low mpg and boats that burn tons of gas. If
they really were concerned about the price of gas, they would buy a
hybrid car and a either a trawler or sailboat.

They refuse to see the obvious. Consumers will not buy a fuel
efficient car or boat, or pay for alternative energy sources until
the
cost of petrol fuels make it worth while to do so.

That's silly. There are plenty of fuel efficient cars being sold.
It's
been that way for years. Even a basic Corolla gets over 30 mpg. Same
with models from Honda. Dealers don't need to whore these out with
stupid "employee discount" offers, as do the big 3.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Harry,
I know you are upset because Doug and I are having a conversation, why
don't
you just ignore us and go back to insulting JohnH, JimH and all the other
right wing borg.

Maybe you can make up some more stories to boost your feeble ego.

Harry hasn't had kevin stick is nose up his ass in quite a few
days.........so he is only left with don.....



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
Stop into a Toyota or Honda dealer, ask to speak briefly to their most
experienced salesperson, and ask what's selling. Or, you could just
look
around. I agree that too many gas pigs are sold to people who have
absolutely zero need for a truck of any kind, but that doesn't negate
the
fact that cars like Corollas and Civics are selling like hotcakes, and
they're not even in the category of "high efficiency", compared to
vehicles like the Prius (50+ mpg).



"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
What is silly is your inability to see the obvious. There is one
reason
for the increase of gas prices. There is an increase in demand,
without
any increase in supply. Consumers will not pay for better fuel
efficient cars until the cost of the gas guzzlers make it worth their
while. The fact that a few people buy fuel efficient cars, does not
negate the fact that too many people are buying gas guzzling SUV and
Trucks, while keeping their home thermostat set at 78 degrees.

Heck even Al Gore who was dumb as dirt, knew you had to raise the cost
of gas to make it economically viable to find alternative energy
sources. Al's idea was to tax gas $3/gal and use the tax to find
alternative energy.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Most of the people in rec.boats who complain about the price of
gas,
are driving trucks with low mpg and boats that burn tons of gas. If
they really were concerned about the price of gas, they would buy a
hybrid car and a either a trawler or sailboat.

They refuse to see the obvious. Consumers will not buy a fuel
efficient car or boat, or pay for alternative energy sources until
the
cost of petrol fuels make it worth while to do so.
That's silly. There are plenty of fuel efficient cars being sold.
It's
been that way for years. Even a basic Corolla gets over 30 mpg. Same
with models from Honda. Dealers don't need to whore these out with
stupid "employee discount" offers, as do the big 3.






If you are arguing with "Juan," you are arguing with someone whose only
interest here is "playing" other participants.

Doug,

Oil futures are based upon the best guess of it's future worth. They do not
determine what someone will actually pay for the oil in the future. If oil
futures are bid up to $120 a barrel, that does not mean that will be the
market price when the future is due. It is normally that the price of
commodity will not be the same price as that on a futures contract. The
difference is the profit or lose realized by the person holding the futures
contract.

While it is easy to hold stock certificates in a bank, when it comes time to
pay off on your futures contract, most people have to sell the oil, they do
not have empty tankers sitting around to hold the oil waiting for a better
price. They will have to sell the oil at the market price, which is
determined by supply and demand. Trust me, if the US reduced it consumption
by 25% and China reduced it's consumption by 25% we would see one hell of a
drop in oil prices.






"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
True, but this does not address the current issue: The price of oil, as it
stands today, is not related to supply or demand. It is where it is
because the price has been bid up to current levels based purely on
speculation. This is no different than the way tech stocks were inflated
all out of proportion a few years ago.


"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
As China continues to expand it manufacture capacity and it's citizens
continue to increase their consumption of oil, the price of oil will
continue to increase. I hate this as much as you do, because I too buy
gas and heat my home. The truth is the only way we can change this is to
find alternative energy and more efficient ways to use oil. If we
nationalize the oil industry, it is not going to change the long term
problem. If we elect a democratic house, senate and president, it still
is not going to change the long term direction. Al Gore wrote a book (I
think it was about 10 yrs ago) that forecasted this exact situation we
are faced with today.

It is time to face the facts, oil is a finite resource and we are using
it up very fast.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Well....at least we know that the vehicles from the big 3 will be gone
within a few years. As far as the figures for the big trucks, I think
you have to subtract those sold to people who actually MUST have such
vehicles for their work. That would leave us with real numbers for the
yahoos who buy "a hemi" just because they feel like it.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I know you prefer to talk to the experienced salepeople to determine
buying patterns, but I found it easier to look at sales history.
These gas guzzlers purchased in 2004 will continue to guzzle gas for
the next 15 - 20 yrs.



Best-selling vehicles

Car First-half 2004 sales Base
price
. Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
. Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
. Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
. Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
. Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
. Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
. Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
. Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
. Chevrolet Impala 139,460 22,395
. Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Stop into a Toyota or Honda dealer, ask to speak briefly to their most
experienced salesperson, and ask what's selling. Or, you could just
look
around. I agree that too many gas pigs are sold to people who have
absolutely zero need for a truck of any kind, but that doesn't negate
the
fact that cars like Corollas and Civics are selling like hotcakes, and
they're not even in the category of "high efficiency", compared to
vehicles like the Prius (50+ mpg).



"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
What is silly is your inability to see the obvious. There is one
reason
for the increase of gas prices. There is an increase in demand,
without
any increase in supply. Consumers will not pay for better fuel
efficient
cars until the cost of the gas guzzlers make it worth their while.
The
fact that a few people buy fuel efficient cars, does not negate the
fact
that too many people are buying gas guzzling SUV and Trucks, while
keeping their home thermostat set at 78 degrees.

Heck even Al Gore who was dumb as dirt, knew you had to raise the
cost of
gas to make it economically viable to find alternative energy
sources.
Al's idea was to tax gas $3/gal and use the tax to find alternative
energy.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Most of the people in rec.boats who complain about the price of
gas,
are driving trucks with low mpg and boats that burn tons of gas.
If
they really were concerned about the price of gas, they would buy a
hybrid car and a either a trawler or sailboat.

They refuse to see the obvious. Consumers will not buy a fuel
efficient car or boat, or pay for alternative energy sources until
the
cost of petrol fuels make it worth while to do so.

That's silly. There are plenty of fuel efficient cars being sold.
It's
been that way for years. Even a basic Corolla gets over 30 mpg. Same
with models from Honda. Dealers don't need to whore these out with
stupid "employee discount" offers, as do the big 3.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
As China continues to expand it manufacture capacity and it's citizens
continue to increase their consumption of oil, the price of oil will
continue to increase. I hate this as much as you do, because I too buy
gas
and heat my home. The truth is the only way we can change this is to find
alternative energy and more efficient ways to use oil. If we
nationalize
the oil industry, it is not going to change the long term problem. If we
elect a democratic house, senate and president, it still is not going to
change the long term direction. Al Gore wrote a book (I think it was
about
10 yrs ago) that forecasted this exact situation we are faced with today.

It is time to face the facts, oil is a finite resource and we are using it
up very fast.

With the increase in the cost of oil, alternative energy sources become
more economically viable. When they become more economically viable, more
will be produced.....funny how capitalism can solve the problem :-)



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Well....at least we know that the vehicles from the big 3 will be gone
within a few years. As far as the figures for the big trucks, I think
you
have to subtract those sold to people who actually MUST have such
vehicles
for their work. That would leave us with real numbers for the yahoos who
buy "a hemi" just because they feel like it.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I know you prefer to talk to the experienced salepeople to determine
buying patterns, but I found it easier to look at sales history.
These gas guzzlers purchased in 2004 will continue to guzzle gas for
the
next 15 - 20 yrs.



Best-selling vehicles

Car First-half 2004 sales Base
price
. Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
. Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
. Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
. Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
. Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
. Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
. Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
. Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
. Chevrolet Impala 139,460 22,395
. Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Stop into a Toyota or Honda dealer, ask to speak briefly to their most
experienced salesperson, and ask what's selling. Or, you could just
look
around. I agree that too many gas pigs are sold to people who have
absolutely zero need for a truck of any kind, but that doesn't negate
the
fact that cars like Corollas and Civics are selling like hotcakes, and
they're not even in the category of "high efficiency", compared to
vehicles like the Prius (50+ mpg).



"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
What is silly is your inability to see the obvious. There is one
reason
for the increase of gas prices. There is an increase in demand,
without
any increase in supply. Consumers will not pay for better fuel
efficient
cars until the cost of the gas guzzlers make it worth their while.
The
fact that a few people buy fuel efficient cars, does not negate the
fact
that too many people are buying gas guzzling SUV and Trucks, while
keeping their home thermostat set at 78 degrees.

Heck even Al Gore who was dumb as dirt, knew you had to raise the
cost
of
gas to make it economically viable to find alternative energy
sources.
Al's idea was to tax gas $3/gal and use the tax to find alternative
energy.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Most of the people in rec.boats who complain about the price of
gas,
are driving trucks with low mpg and boats that burn tons of gas.
If
they really were concerned about the price of gas, they would buy a
hybrid car and a either a trawler or sailboat.

They refuse to see the obvious. Consumers will not buy a fuel
efficient car or boat, or pay for alternative energy sources until
the
cost of petrol fuels make it worth while to do so.

That's silly. There are plenty of fuel efficient cars being sold.
It's
been that way for years. Even a basic Corolla gets over 30 mpg. Same
with models from Honda. Dealers don't need to whore these out with
stupid "employee discount" offers, as do the big 3.

wrote:


It's a real stretch to try to blame George Bush for five decades of
over consumption, five decades of refusal to seriously pursue
alternative energy sources, five decades of ass-kissing BIG OIL and THE
BIG THREE automakers. He can be held accountable for the things like
the gutting of CAFE standards during his administration. He can be
criticized for developing a national "energy policy" that concentrates
primarily on squeezing the last few drops of oil out of the ground and
excusing his family's (and other) oil companies from taxes in the
process. He can be resented, a bit, because he and his family are
getting filthy rich(er) every time the price of a bbl of oil goes up a
buck. He clearly has no personal incentive to wish for lower oil
prices, but it isn't fair to lay the blame for the current pricing on
Bush.

The SUV aspect of this whole thing is amusing. Not that SUV's are
primarily responsible for the high prices of oil- but if you remember
the last few years every time some environmentalist suggested that it
might not be in the national interest to offer vehicles that got less
than 10 mpg the right wing radio shows all began to squeal, (on cue),
"we need to let the free market decide what people will buy and drive".
I hope those same apologists have the same "free market" attitude
toward the price of oil. You're seeing $3 at the marina- on the west
coast we're seeing $3 at a lot of regular gas stations (for high
octane).

Like I've always said...rationing might be the answer.
Sell the first 50 gallons a month at a reasonable price, and what ever
after at a double taxed rate. It might make people think twice before
buying large SUVs or high powered sports cars.

Harry Krause wrote:

It's not such a stretch. Not only is the Bush family profiteering from
the increase in prices, its warmongering has added to world uncertainty
and that has impacted prices, too. Also, Bush has neither done nor even
suggested anything that would alleviate prices or the unholy profits Big
Oil is making.

Further, the incompetent Bush Administration is doing about everything
it can to annoy Hugo Chavez. You did see his comment last week:

Chavez makes US oil export threat

Oil exports to the US could stop amid growing tensions between the two
countries, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has said.

He described recent US government actions as "aggressive" in a speech at
a youth festival in Caracas.

As a result, Venezuelan oil "instead of going to the United States,
could go elsewhere," he said.

Venezuela exports about 1.3 million barrels a day to the US and is the
world's fifth largest oil producer.

Tensions between the two countries have escalated since President Chavez
accused the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) of spying on his
government.

Washington denies the charge and has accused Caracas of failing to
co-operate in the fight against drug-trafficking.

On Friday the Venezuelan government withdrew diplomatic immunity from
DEA agents working in the country in response to a US decision to revoke
the visas of six Venezuelan officials based in Washington.

Venezuela is an important transport route for cocaine from neighbouring
Colombia, which produces 80% of the world's supply.

---

If Chavez turns off the spigot, you'll start to see violence at the gas
pump.

And wait until homeowners get their home heating bills this winter. Bush
will be hanging in effigy, if that is still legal, all over America.

Thanks Harry..you've given us a good idea.
The US has been screwing Canada around on a 'bogus' softwood lumber
complaint. Even when we win a ruling..Dubya's gov't just brushes it
aside. We're tired of being bullied. Imagine what happens when we
decide to sell our natural gas and oil to China instead of south.
The US gov't today is the greatest threat to international peace.
http://tinyurl.com/82hno

Your explanation of futures is largely accurate, except that each time
they're bid up, the price at the pumps rises. This should infuriate you.


"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,

Oil futures are based upon the best guess of it's future worth. They do
not determine what someone will actually pay for the oil in the future.
If oil futures are bid up to $120 a barrel, that does not mean that will
be the market price when the future is due. It is normally that the price
of commodity will not be the same price as that on a futures contract.
The difference is the profit or lose realized by the person holding the
futures contract.

While it is easy to hold stock certificates in a bank, when it comes time
to pay off on your futures contract, most people have to sell the oil,
they do not have empty tankers sitting around to hold the oil waiting for
a better price. They will have to sell the oil at the market price, which
is determined by supply and demand. Trust me, if the US reduced it
consumption by 25% and China reduced it's consumption by 25% we would see
one hell of a drop in oil prices.






"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
True, but this does not address the current issue: The price of oil, as
it stands today, is not related to supply or demand. It is where it is
because the price has been bid up to current levels based purely on
speculation. This is no different than the way tech stocks were inflated
all out of proportion a few years ago.


"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
As China continues to expand it manufacture capacity and it's citizens
continue to increase their consumption of oil, the price of oil will
continue to increase. I hate this as much as you do, because I too buy
gas and heat my home. The truth is the only way we can change this is
to find alternative energy and more efficient ways to use oil. If we
nationalize the oil industry, it is not going to change the long term
problem. If we elect a democratic house, senate and president, it still
is not going to change the long term direction. Al Gore wrote a book (I
think it was about 10 yrs ago) that forecasted this exact situation we
are faced with today.

It is time to face the facts, oil is a finite resource and we are using
it up very fast.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Well....at least we know that the vehicles from the big 3 will be gone
within a few years. As far as the figures for the big trucks, I think
you have to subtract those sold to people who actually MUST have such
vehicles for their work. That would leave us with real numbers for the
yahoos who buy "a hemi" just because they feel like it.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I know you prefer to talk to the experienced salepeople to determine
buying patterns, but I found it easier to look at sales history.
These gas guzzlers purchased in 2004 will continue to guzzle gas for
the next 15 - 20 yrs.



Best-selling vehicles

Car First-half 2004 sales Base
price
. Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
. Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
. Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
. Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
. Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
. Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
. Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
. Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
. Chevrolet Impala 139,460 22,395
. Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Stop into a Toyota or Honda dealer, ask to speak briefly to their
most
experienced salesperson, and ask what's selling. Or, you could just
look
around. I agree that too many gas pigs are sold to people who have
absolutely zero need for a truck of any kind, but that doesn't negate
the
fact that cars like Corollas and Civics are selling like hotcakes,
and
they're not even in the category of "high efficiency", compared to
vehicles like the Prius (50+ mpg).



"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
What is silly is your inability to see the obvious. There is one
reason
for the increase of gas prices. There is an increase in demand,
without
any increase in supply. Consumers will not pay for better fuel
efficient
cars until the cost of the gas guzzlers make it worth their while.
The
fact that a few people buy fuel efficient cars, does not negate the
fact
that too many people are buying gas guzzling SUV and Trucks, while
keeping their home thermostat set at 78 degrees.

Heck even Al Gore who was dumb as dirt, knew you had to raise the
cost of
gas to make it economically viable to find alternative energy
sources.
Al's idea was to tax gas $3/gal and use the tax to find alternative
energy.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Most of the people in rec.boats who complain about the price of
gas,
are driving trucks with low mpg and boats that burn tons of gas.
If
they really were concerned about the price of gas, they would buy
a
hybrid car and a either a trawler or sailboat.

They refuse to see the obvious. Consumers will not buy a fuel
efficient car or boat, or pay for alternative energy sources until
the
cost of petrol fuels make it worth while to do so.

That's silly. There are plenty of fuel efficient cars being sold.
It's
been that way for years. Even a basic Corolla gets over 30 mpg.
Same
with models from Honda. Dealers don't need to whore these out with
stupid "employee discount" offers, as do the big 3.