As I said in first reply. Include the airplanes used as bombs. The First
WTC bombing with a truck loaded with nitrogen fertilizer. Just like your
lack of knowledge on the SLA. You are fact challenged. As to relevant
facts, why bring up nutcases like the abortion clinic bombers and exclude
the Weathermen, the SLA, the ALF, and other leftist leaning nutcases.


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bill McKee wrote:
You say there was only one Muslim bomb. Wrong.


OK, then give us a count.

And let's compare that number with the number of abortion clinic
bombings... and if you're still not convinced, we'll throw in the KKK
bombings.


The SLA planted bombs in at least 2 SF police stations that were found.
They bombed the Emeryville PD station, they bombed the Marin County
courthouse. The also failed to blow up some LAPD cars. Bombs did not
explode. Wrong again.

Facts, DSK, facts!

OK, didn't know about that... did it make the news outside of California?
I stand corrected, the SLA did plant some bombs... but they're still
totally a side issue as they were neither Muslim nor Christian.

I like the introduction of facts into this discussion, can we fine-tune it
a little bit to *relevant* facts?

DSK

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim Carter wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
Better look up the facts again.
Really?
What "facts" do you think indicate that Christians have NOT set off more
bombs in America than Muslims? All you have to do is count abortion
clinic bombings, no need to look further back than the last decade.
Of course, fundie Christian hate-mongers have been here in the US for a
lot longer. Give the Muslims 200 years or so, I'm sure they'll catch up.
DSK

Also, don't forget about the Christian Fundamentalist, McVeigh, who
bombed
the Federal Building in Oklahoma.
(Reference: Author Jessica Stern and her book "Terror in the name of
God")

Jim Carter
Bayfield




But that happened prior to 9-11 and in the minds of some, it doesn't
count. And in the minds of some posters here, McVeigh, et al, were
connected to Muslim terrorists. Really.

Why are we limiting this to bombs set off in the US. CONSISTENTLY, ISLAM
has seen violence in it's name for it's entire existence.
CONSISTENTLY!!!!!! The Christian religion has been used to "legitimize"
campaigns of conquest but it's been spotty throughout history.

Bill McKee wrote:

As I said in first reply. Include the airplanes used as bombs. The First
WTC bombing with a truck loaded with nitrogen fertilizer.

OK, that means that Muslims have (by your count) set off 4 bombs in the US.

Now, how many bombs have Christians set off?

Hint- it's a LOT more than 4

... Just like your
lack of knowledge on the SLA. You are fact challenged.

Really? Bringing up the SLA was totally irrelevant since they did not
proclaim themselves to be Muslim. And I don't claim to know everything,
so welcome the introduction of FACTS into the discussion... now how
about RELEVANT facts.


... As to relevant
facts, why bring up nutcases like the abortion clinic bombers and exclude
the Weathermen, the SLA, the ALF, and other leftist leaning nutcases.


Because they are not setting off bombs in the cause of what they
perceive to be Christianity.

That's the point- Christian bombers vs Muslim bombers.

Can you handle the truth? We know it ****es you off, now just quit your
veering & spinning, and face it. It'll be good for you.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:

As I said in first reply. Include the airplanes used as bombs. The
First WTC bombing with a truck loaded with nitrogen fertilizer.

OK, that means that Muslims have (by your count) set off 4 bombs in the
US.

Now, how many bombs have Christians set off?

Hint- it's a LOT more than 4

... Just like your lack of knowledge on the SLA. You are fact
challenged.

Really? Bringing up the SLA was totally irrelevant since they did not
proclaim themselves to be Muslim. And I don't claim to know everything, so
welcome the introduction of FACTS into the discussion... now how about
RELEVANT facts.


... As to relevant facts, why bring up nutcases like the abortion clinic
bombers and exclude the Weathermen, the SLA, the ALF, and other leftist
leaning nutcases.


Because they are not setting off bombs in the cause of what they perceive
to be Christianity.

That's the point- Christian bombers vs Muslim bombers.

Can you handle the truth? We know it ****es you off, now just quit your
veering & spinning, and face it. It'll be good for you.

DSK



You are too dumb to understand the truth. I bring up the SLA et. al. same
as you bring up all the fringe groups that may or may not be Christian. The
Muslims are a violent sect. Ask the couple of hundred thousand Algerians
maimed or the relatives of those killed why Muslims of one sect attacked the
Muslims of the 2nd sect.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message news:QYUOe.1091the
discussion... now how about
You are too dumb to understand the truth. I bring up the SLA et. al. same
as you bring up all the fringe groups that may or may not be Christian.
The
Muslims are a violent sect. Ask the couple of hundred thousand Algerians
maimed or the relatives of those killed why Muslims of one sect attacked
the
Muslims of the 2nd sect.

The Christians are even more violent. Ask the millions of people in
Europe whose relatives or friends where killed by the good Christians of
England, USA, Canada, France during their wars

Jim

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
news:QYUOe.1091the
discussion... now how about
You are too dumb to understand the truth. I bring up the SLA et. al.
same
as you bring up all the fringe groups that may or may not be Christian.
The
Muslims are a violent sect. Ask the couple of hundred thousand Algerians
maimed or the relatives of those killed why Muslims of one sect attacked
the
Muslims of the 2nd sect.

The Christians are even more violent. Ask the millions of people in
Europe whose relatives or friends where killed by the good Christians of
England, USA, Canada, France during their wars

Jim



Now which religious wars were these people killed in?

Bill McKee wrote:
You are too dumb to understand the truth.

Hmmm... is this fact or logic, or is it name calling?

... I bring up the SLA et. al. same
as you bring up all the fringe groups that may or may not be Christian.

What's "may or may not be Christian" about the violently fundamentalist
Christian anti-abortion nuts, or the KKK which very loudly states if
Protestant Christianity right up front?

.. The
Muslims are a violent sect.

No, they're not. No more so than Christians or Buddhists or Taoists or
Zoroastrians or you name it.

.. Ask the couple of hundred thousand Algerians
maimed or the relatives of those killed why Muslims of one sect attacked the
Muslims of the 2nd sect.

The fact that there are violent Muslims does not prove anything about
the whole faith, any more than the fact that there are violent
Christians proves that Jesus proclaimed a gospel to murder & maim your
fellow man.

Meanwhile, you have once again failed to count how many Muslims have set
off bombs in the US versus how many Christians.

Can we assume that your claim is wrong, you've lost, and you just aren't
man enough to admit it?

DSK

The Christians are even more violent. Ask the millions of people in
Europe whose relatives or friends where killed by the good Christians of
England, USA, Canada, France during their wars



John Sobieski wrote:
OK Jim,

I just don't understand what the heck you meant by your statement. Would
you be kind enough to elucidate the statement?


Well, maybe he's referring to the Inquisition, or the Thirty Years War,
or the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre, or any of the other episodes of
mass killing done by Christians, supposedly in the name of Christ.

Does that make it any more clear?

DSK

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:28:38 -0400, DSK wrote:

The Christians are even more violent. Ask the millions of people in
Europe whose relatives or friends where killed by the good Christians of
England, USA, Canada, France during their wars



John Sobieski wrote:
OK Jim,

I just don't understand what the heck you meant by your statement. Would
you be kind enough to elucidate the statement?


Well, maybe he's referring to the Inquisition, or the Thirty Years War,
or the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre, or any of the other episodes of
mass killing done by Christians, supposedly in the name of Christ.

Does that make it any more clear?

DSK

In your mind, do these Christian atrocities justify the current Muslim
atrocities? Should we just live with and enjoy the Muslim killings?

If a reasonable Democrat were president, and he continued the fight against
Muslim terrorists, would you condemn him?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:01:13 -0700, John Sobieski
] wrote:

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, PocoLoco wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:28:38 -0400, DSK wrote:

The Christians are even more violent. Ask the millions of people in
Europe whose relatives or friends where killed by the good Christians of
England, USA, Canada, France during their wars



John Sobieski wrote:
OK Jim,

I just don't understand what the heck you meant by your statement. Would
you be kind enough to elucidate the statement?


Well, maybe he's referring to the Inquisition, or the Thirty Years War,
or the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre, or any of the other episodes of
mass killing done by Christians, supposedly in the name of Christ.

Does that make it any more clear?

DSK


No, he included the USA and Canada.

The Thirty Years War consisted of a series of declared and undeclared wars
which raged through the years 1618-1648 throughout central Europe.

August 24, 1572, was the date of the infamous St. Bartholomew's Day
Massacre in France.

Neither the USA or Canada existed at that time.

My question remains, when did the USA and Canada have a "religious war"
with anyone?

In your mind, do these Christian atrocities justify the current Muslim
atrocities? Should we just live with and enjoy the Muslim killings?

If a reasonable Democrat were president, and he continued the fight against
Muslim terrorists, would you condemn him?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD


As a Christian, I abhor all atrocities against our fellow man. Admitidly,
there were in the long distant past atrocities committed by Christians. But
no more than those committed by non Christians. It does seem to me that the
most recent wave of atrocities and genocide are not committed by
Christians, but against them in some cases.




Regards,
SOB


You realize, I hope, that my post was a response to 'jps', and was not directed
towards you.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD