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Its not Muslims, its Islam thats screwing with their minds.

Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

....'Nuff said.






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Mr Wizzard wrote:
Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

...'Nuff said.



What have you, as a "white American," contributed to advancing the areas
you mentioned?

And yes, you can, as a "white American," visit Mecca. But I wouldn't
advise it in your case.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:27:11 -0700, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote:

Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

Hate to tell you this, but Moslems (or Muslims - take your pick) along
with the Hindus, invented the concept of zero. There is some dispute
about who invented it first, but it would appear that it may have been
a case of simultaneous invention, but some evidence indicates that the
Hindus came to it much later than the Pan-Arabian ethnic grouping.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 is called the Arab/Hindu (or Hindu/Arabic - all
depends on who you talk to) number system and without it, you wouldn't
have any of the above.

Curiously enough, it first appeared in the 1,000 BC in Babylon or as
we know it Iraq,by Babylonian mathematicians and/or astronomers. The
first "zero" was actually a blank so it would look something like 1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1_ 11 12, etc. It went from a blank to " at some point
(it's been a while - I'm doing this from memory). Eventually, sometime
around the 1st Century BC, a proper zero was developed, but went
through several iterations until it settled down to what we now know.

Curiously enough, Pan-European mathematicians/astronomers never
developed the concept until Arab traders brought it to Europe
somewhere around 8/900 AD. Europeans were using a positional notation
system, but it was confused and subject to royal fiat.

Why is zero so important? Couple of reasons. In the A/H number
system, zero is a place holder - example: 1101. However, it also is a
number - zero. So,as you can probably infer, 111 is very different
than 1101.

And I'm getting carried away. Let's just say that the positional
place-value system couldn't work without zero, that it was pretty much
invented by Moslems (or Muslims) concurrently with some other ethnic
groups and that, in fact, it took Arab traders to bring sense and
commerce to the Pan-European mercantile system leading, of course, to
the list you published above.

Later,

Tom

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mr Wizzard wrote:
Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

...'Nuff said.



What have you, as a "white American," contributed to advancing the areas
you mentioned?

*Much*! .... (you wanna compare Resumes ?)
But your comment suggest a myopic mentality.
Active in the above areas, why is it that I don't
see Arab/muslims active in trade journals etc in
the context of the above? Is the A.M.A., IEEE,
etc. etc. all "biased" media sources too?? Just
why *IS* it that companies ike Haliburton in an
Arab land is an issue in the FIRST place? Why
IS it that (of all places) "France" has to come in
and build nulcear reactors in Iraq/Iran? What of
more basic things like manufacturing, and construction?
Why IS it that the "Germans" have to come in an
build concreate bunkers for Saddam Hussien ?
....I thought "Bin Ladan" was the construction king?
If you haven't noticed, and thus was the "message"
here, the Arabs (for what*ever* reason), have
fallen out humam advancement years ago, and
it has led to this mis-placed Ara fustration that
the world has come to know as "militant islam".
And the Arab leader wanna-b's try to explain
this by a voo-doo religion as the reason/cause.
Over the ages, other cultures have struggled to
keep up with human advancement, and industral
advancement, and even the ones in last place
managed to at least "understand the game".
Russia, Germany, France, Japan, (asia in
general), hell, *everyone* at some point was
involved in industrialization to SOME degree,
be it steel, metal, machine, or fabric, textiles,
cloths, food, etc. etc. Why is it that the world
doesn't associate ANY of these things with the
Arab/muslims? Have we overlooked something?
If they are on this so-called gold mine of oil for
so long, seems to ME that they should have been
the worlds super-expert on oil development etc.
(that could have been their contribution to
human/industry). But yet they never "got it".
The "West" has to come in and beat them on
the heads and say: Hel LOW!, McFly... Are
ya gonna get on this oil development stuff,
or ar we gonna have to call in Europe, Russia,
and the "Great Satin" to do it? 'samatta you?
The Anti-America, Pro Arab/Muslim
sympathizers/apologists are gonna nees to
start SPELLING out to the world *what*
their contributions to human advancement
actually ARE, and what their plan IS to
make up for lost time before things will
EVER turn around for them. Othersise, they
will contine to go downhill, and the whole
damn place will turn into a borderless Lebanon.






And yes, you can, as a "white American," visit Mecca. But I wouldn't
advise it in your case.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:27:11 -0700, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote:

Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

Hate to tell you this, but Moslems (or Muslims - take your pick) along
with the Hindus, invented the concept of zero. There is some dispute
about who invented it first, but it would appear that it may have been
a case of simultaneous invention, but some evidence indicates that the
Hindus came to it much later than the Pan-Arabian ethnic grouping.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 is called the Arab/Hindu (or Hindu/Arabic - all
depends on who you talk to) number system and without it, you wouldn't
have any of the above.

Curiously enough, it first appeared in the 1,000 BC in Babylon or as
we know it Iraq,by Babylonian mathematicians and/or astronomers. The
first "zero" was actually a blank so it would look something like 1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1_ 11 12, etc. It went from a blank to " at some point
(it's been a while - I'm doing this from memory). Eventually, sometime
around the 1st Century BC, a proper zero was developed, but went
through several iterations until it settled down to what we now know.

Curiously enough, Pan-European mathematicians/astronomers never
developed the concept until Arab traders brought it to Europe
somewhere around 8/900 AD. Europeans were using a positional notation
system, but it was confused and subject to royal fiat.

Why is zero so important? Couple of reasons. In the A/H number
system, zero is a place holder - example: 1101. However, it also is a
number - zero. So,as you can probably infer, 111 is very different
than 1101.

And I'm getting carried away. Let's just say that the positional
place-value system couldn't work without zero, that it was pretty much
invented by Moslems (or Muslims) concurrently with some other ethnic
groups and that, in fact, it took Arab traders to bring sense and
commerce to the Pan-European mercantile system leading, of course, to
the list you published above.


So thats IT? - their contribution to the above was a "zero" ?
(how ironic). But joking aside, this is "good". Is there more?
I mean, what you spelled out here is important (and thats good),
but lets build on that - lets see why there hasn't been more.
At some point we need to look at this, and understand why
they fell out of the game so long ago, and see what it will
take to get them back in to the game (if they want to). And
if they don't, we need to find out why, and what to do with
a self-destructive culture that doesn't (that happens to want
to take out the rest of the world). We've seen other despondent
and self-destructive cultures before, but one that wants to also
take out the other side is something we're not used to.
(Hitler didn't want to take "out" the world, he just wanted
to control it - very different).






Later,

Tom

Mr Wizzard wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mr Wizzard wrote:
Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

...'Nuff said.


What have you, as a "white American," contributed to advancing the areas
you mentioned?

*Much*! .... (you wanna compare Resumes ?)
But your comment suggest a myopic mentality.
Active in the above areas, why is it that I don't
see Arab/muslims active in trade journals etc in
the context of the above?


Ahhh. You think all Muslims have names that fit your stereotypes.

Is the A.M.A., IEEE,
etc. etc. all "biased" media sources too??

There are many Muslim scientific contributors in the world, though many
have left their homelands.


Just
why *IS* it that companies ike Haliburton in an
Arab land is an issue in the FIRST place?

Because that is where they can get the best non-bid contracts.


Why
IS it that (of all places) "France" has to come in
and build nulcear reactors in Iraq/Iran? What of
more basic things like manufacturing, and construction?
Why IS it that the "Germans" have to come in an
build concreate bunkers for Saddam Hussien ?
...I thought "Bin Ladan" was the construction king?
If you haven't noticed, and thus was the "message"
here, the Arabs (for what*ever* reason), have
fallen out humam advancement years ago, and
it has led to this mis-placed Ara fustration that
the world has come to know as "militant islam".

Well, I think you're wrong. These days, there are plenty of Muslims even
in their homelands making interesting scientific progress.



And the Arab leader wanna-b's try to explain
this by a voo-doo religion as the reason/cause.


A voo-doo religion? You're quite the racist, eh.

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Jack wrote:
I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are
horrible.
The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this
point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in
their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need
to
do more to stop the extremists in their own religion.


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You are right about militant Muslims.
Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews.
How the heck three religions that all
worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble
over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold.

But are the other two really self-destructive,
and of a design that fosters homicide bombing,
and teaches/breeds this idea of "self" destruction?
I mean, other cultures that dabbled in the "methods"
of self-destruction (Japan's Komacozi's etc) actually
had a goal/cause. Plus, when they dabbled in it,
it was in an implementation that could have actually
"worked" (in the plight of their cause/goals). That
is to say, Japan actually had a "strategy", it just
happened to have self-destruction as one of its
components. M.I. (Militant Islam) on the other
hand, has no such "strategy", as it is all driven
by a physiological/emotional thing, and not logic.
Proof is in the puddling: M.I., and Bin Ladan,
and the like are responsible for MORE loss
of Arab life, and Arab ground then they even
know! - terrorism has caused them to lose MORE
then they even know!. Following Bin Laden
didn't give them any love - they done lost
Afghanistan. Iraq never got Iran in the 80's,
Saddam found his ass in an American clink
(on *his* own turf), there is no "Club-Med"
in the Pali area's, Lebanon is a **** hole, Iran's
a ticking time-bomb about to be turned into an
all-glass Holiday Inn, so their main export of
terrorism ain't getting them Jack. But, all that
only "seems" bad in context's of a "goal/cause".
If one has no cause/goal, its all a moot point.
M.I. needs, (and will be) eliminated, *and*
the Arab cultures need to be brought back into
human advancement(s), and be in the same game,
as this will put them back on equal footing with
human development, and the World at large.

Mr Wizzard wrote:

components. M.I. (Militant Islam) on the other
hand, has no such "strategy", as it is all driven
by a physiological/emotional thing, and not logic.




Ahh, I have it now. Christianity as practiced by conservative white
males in the United States is driven by logic, and not the emotional.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:47:18 -0400, Argyle argyle@nospam wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:58:46 -0700, "Mr Wizzard" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:27:11 -0700, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote:

Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

Hate to tell you this, but Moslems (or Muslims - take your pick) along
with the Hindus, invented the concept of zero. There is some dispute
about who invented it first, but it would appear that it may have been
a case of simultaneous invention, but some evidence indicates that the
Hindus came to it much later than the Pan-Arabian ethnic grouping.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 is called the Arab/Hindu (or Hindu/Arabic - all
depends on who you talk to) number system and without it, you wouldn't
have any of the above.

Curiously enough, it first appeared in the 1,000 BC in Babylon or as
we know it Iraq,by Babylonian mathematicians and/or astronomers. The
first "zero" was actually a blank so it would look something like 1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1_ 11 12, etc. It went from a blank to " at some point
(it's been a while - I'm doing this from memory). Eventually, sometime
around the 1st Century BC, a proper zero was developed, but went
through several iterations until it settled down to what we now know.

Just one small correction. The Islam religion started with Mohammad in the
7th century. Thus the above assertions do not match the time line.

Correction noted/point taken - Arabs and Moslems appeared
in/around/about 630 AD and Islam is actually an offshoot of Assyrian
Christianity. Islam was a unifying force in what was essentially a
military campaign of conquest.

My point, perhaps poorly made, was that in terms of ethnic heritage,
the Arabs, now mostly Muslim, did indeed contribute to the rise of
Western Civilization.

Later,

Tom