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OT For Scum Who Think all Muslims are Horrible
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Kevin,
I think the majority of Muslims are wonderful, I just think you are OT SCUM. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 |
I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are
horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 |
51 st wrote: Kevin, I think the majority of Muslims are wonderful, I just think you are OT SCUM. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 I think YOU are scum for replying to me, when you apparently want to reply to Kevin, Smithers. By the way, I've looked, not ONE post from you regarding boats, so, OT SCUM, indeed you are! |
Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 Really? NOYB, for one, has stated here many times that he thinks Muslims should be wiped from the face of the earth. Others here, have agreed with that. |
Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 How many conflicts at this moment are Christians involved in? |
Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. |
On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote:
Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
On 12 Aug 2005 11:58:25 -0700, wrote:
wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. I have to agree. It would at least make a little sense if the fighting were over something tangible, say food....but to fight and hate over something that isn't even there is just weird! The Crusades ended a while back, I think. Now, maybe you'd better stick to Moto Guzzi 'Desmo' stories. You'd sound more credible! Hee, hee. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
John H. wrote: On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD No. The new leftist mantra is "certain right wingers aren't perceptive enough to understand that when somebody agrees with a post that observes that extremist Muslims have hijacked Islam, and that when the agreeing party additionally comments that Crusading Christians (that would be modern as well as historical, btw) and Zionist Jews have also corrupted the foundations of their own faiths for political purposes, such a statement in no way defends or excuses the radical Muslims originally referenced." I know that's a long mantra, but since you asked.... But I do see where you're coming from: Rather often these days when somebody in right field gets caught with a hand in the cookie jar the automatic comment is "liberals did it first or worse" and many on the right consider that an excuse for the behavior- no questions asked. With that frame of reference, I do understand how you might misinterpret an observation that people from many faiths have corrupted the fundamental message of their scriptures and prophets as an "excuse" or defense of the first group that was mentioned. |
On 12 Aug 2005 20:29:27 -0700, wrote:
John H. wrote: On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD No. The new leftist mantra is "certain right wingers aren't perceptive enough to understand that when somebody agrees with a post that observes that extremist Muslims have hijacked Islam, and that when the agreeing party additionally comments that Crusading Christians (that would be modern as well as historical, btw) and Zionist Jews have also corrupted the foundations of their own faiths for political purposes, such a statement in no way defends or excuses the radical Muslims originally referenced." I know that's a long mantra, but since you asked.... But I do see where you're coming from: Rather often these days when somebody in right field gets caught with a hand in the cookie jar the automatic comment is "liberals did it first or worse" and many on the right consider that an excuse for the behavior- no questions asked. With that frame of reference, I do understand how you might misinterpret an observation that people from many faiths have corrupted the fundamental message of their scriptures and prophets as an "excuse" or defense of the first group that was mentioned. Thanks for the sermonette. I don't see many Christians or Jews blowing up buildings, airplanes, trains, buses, and people on a regular basis. Perhaps that's why I took your comment as one of those,"...did it first or worse..." types. When you say, "...the automatic comment is..." are you referring to *all* conservatives or only a few? -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
"John H." wrote in message ... Thanks for the sermonette. I don't see many Christians or Jews blowing up buildings, airplanes, trains, buses, and people on a regular basis. Perhaps that's why I took your comment as one of those,"...did it first or worse..." types. When you say, "...the automatic comment is..." are you referring to *all* conservatives or only a few? John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Well John, you need to open your eyes more often. There are lots of Christians and Jews blowing up buildings on a regular basis. The Jews blow up buildings almost every week in Palestinian Territory and the Christians are blowing up buildings in Iraq every day. The Jews should get out of "Palestine" and the Christians should get out of Iraq. Jim |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:26:47 -0400, "Jim Carter" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . Thanks for the sermonette. I don't see many Christians or Jews blowing up buildings, airplanes, trains, buses, and people on a regular basis. Perhaps that's why I took your comment as one of those,"...did it first or worse..." types. When you say, "...the automatic comment is..." are you referring to *all* conservatives or only a few? John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Well John, you need to open your eyes more often. There are lots of Christians and Jews blowing up buildings on a regular basis. The Jews blow up buildings almost every week in Palestinian Territory and the Christians are blowing up buildings in Iraq every day. The Jews should get out of "Palestine" and the Christians should get out of Iraq. Jim Well, I guess you've just justified terrorism. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
why on earth do I reply, anyway wars and killing have nothing to do
with religion. Mr. Saddam and Iraq are muslim invaided Kuwait and went to war with Iran for ten years. all muslims. United kindom went to war with Argentina, have problems and killing N Irlands for years all Christians, The jews have the same trouble in their tiny state, the extrimist kild the late PM. Need to say more? if you look close the real issue is not relious it is hidden agenda and political and economical interests etc. Jim Carter wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... Thanks for the sermonette. I don't see many Christians or Jews blowing up buildings, airplanes, trains, buses, and people on a regular basis. Perhaps that's why I took your comment as one of those,"...did it first or worse..." types. When you say, "...the automatic comment is..." are you referring to *all* conservatives or only a few? John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Well John, you need to open your eyes more often. There are lots of Christians and Jews blowing up buildings on a regular basis. The Jews blow up buildings almost every week in Palestinian Territory and the Christians are blowing up buildings in Iraq every day. The Jews should get out of "Palestine" and the Christians should get out of Iraq. Jim |
"John H." wrote in message ... Well, I guess you've just justified terrorism. John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Gee John. So you agree with me that the terrorist Jews and Christians should leave the Freedom Fighters to their own countries. That's good thinking on your part. ;-) Jim |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:13:22 -0400, "Jim Carter" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . Well, I guess you've just justified terrorism. John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD Gee John. So you agree with me that the terrorist Jews and Christians should leave the Freedom Fighters to their own countries. That's good thinking on your part. ;-) Jim Terrorist Jews and Christians? Freedom fighters? Against whom are the 'Freedom Fighters' fighting when they blow up mosques and schools in their own country? -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
"John H." wrote in message ... Terrorist Jews and Christians? Freedom fighters? Against whom are the 'Freedom Fighters' fighting when they blow up mosques and schools in their own country? John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD The Palestinian Freedom Fighters are fighting against the Terrorist Jews who blow up Mosques in Palestine. The Iraqi Freedom Fighters are fighting against the Terrorist Christian American Soldiers who have invaded their country and are blowing up the Iraqi homes. The Jews need to leave Palestine and the Christians need to leave Iraq. Jim |
Jim,
Who are the Iraqi's who are blowing up Iraqi's home, business and killing Muslims who belong to a different sect? "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote in message ... Terrorist Jews and Christians? Freedom fighters? Against whom are the 'Freedom Fighters' fighting when they blow up mosques and schools in their own country? John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD The Palestinian Freedom Fighters are fighting against the Terrorist Jews who blow up Mosques in Palestine. The Iraqi Freedom Fighters are fighting against the Terrorist Christian American Soldiers who have invaded their country and are blowing up the Iraqi homes. The Jews need to leave Palestine and the Christians need to leave Iraq. Jim |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:31:42 -0400, "Jim Carter" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . Terrorist Jews and Christians? Freedom fighters? Against whom are the 'Freedom Fighters' fighting when they blow up mosques and schools in their own country? John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD The Palestinian Freedom Fighters are fighting against the Terrorist Jews who blow up Mosques in Palestine. The Iraqi Freedom Fighters are fighting against the Terrorist Christian American Soldiers who have invaded their country and are blowing up the Iraqi homes. The Jews need to leave Palestine and the Christians need to leave Iraq. Jim Why are the Iraqi 'Freedom Fighters' killing so many Iraqi women and children and attacking mosques in Iraq? Haven't heard of the Israeli's blowing up a Palestinian mosque lately. Got a site? -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 Its not Muslims, its Islam thats screwing with their minds. |
Coupla Q's:
What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) ....'Nuff said. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 |
Mr Wizzard wrote:
Coupla Q's: What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) ...'Nuff said. What have you, as a "white American," contributed to advancing the areas you mentioned? And yes, you can, as a "white American," visit Mecca. But I wouldn't advise it in your case. |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:27:11 -0700, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote: Coupla Q's: What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) Hate to tell you this, but Moslems (or Muslims - take your pick) along with the Hindus, invented the concept of zero. There is some dispute about who invented it first, but it would appear that it may have been a case of simultaneous invention, but some evidence indicates that the Hindus came to it much later than the Pan-Arabian ethnic grouping. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 is called the Arab/Hindu (or Hindu/Arabic - all depends on who you talk to) number system and without it, you wouldn't have any of the above. Curiously enough, it first appeared in the 1,000 BC in Babylon or as we know it Iraq,by Babylonian mathematicians and/or astronomers. The first "zero" was actually a blank so it would look something like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1_ 11 12, etc. It went from a blank to " at some point (it's been a while - I'm doing this from memory). Eventually, sometime around the 1st Century BC, a proper zero was developed, but went through several iterations until it settled down to what we now know. Curiously enough, Pan-European mathematicians/astronomers never developed the concept until Arab traders brought it to Europe somewhere around 8/900 AD. Europeans were using a positional notation system, but it was confused and subject to royal fiat. Why is zero so important? Couple of reasons. In the A/H number system, zero is a place holder - example: 1101. However, it also is a number - zero. So,as you can probably infer, 111 is very different than 1101. And I'm getting carried away. Let's just say that the positional place-value system couldn't work without zero, that it was pretty much invented by Moslems (or Muslims) concurrently with some other ethnic groups and that, in fact, it took Arab traders to bring sense and commerce to the Pan-European mercantile system leading, of course, to the list you published above. Later, Tom |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Mr Wizzard wrote: Coupla Q's: What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) ...'Nuff said. What have you, as a "white American," contributed to advancing the areas you mentioned? *Much*! .... (you wanna compare Resumes ?) But your comment suggest a myopic mentality. Active in the above areas, why is it that I don't see Arab/muslims active in trade journals etc in the context of the above? Is the A.M.A., IEEE, etc. etc. all "biased" media sources too?? Just why *IS* it that companies ike Haliburton in an Arab land is an issue in the FIRST place? Why IS it that (of all places) "France" has to come in and build nulcear reactors in Iraq/Iran? What of more basic things like manufacturing, and construction? Why IS it that the "Germans" have to come in an build concreate bunkers for Saddam Hussien ? ....I thought "Bin Ladan" was the construction king? If you haven't noticed, and thus was the "message" here, the Arabs (for what*ever* reason), have fallen out humam advancement years ago, and it has led to this mis-placed Ara fustration that the world has come to know as "militant islam". And the Arab leader wanna-b's try to explain this by a voo-doo religion as the reason/cause. Over the ages, other cultures have struggled to keep up with human advancement, and industral advancement, and even the ones in last place managed to at least "understand the game". Russia, Germany, France, Japan, (asia in general), hell, *everyone* at some point was involved in industrialization to SOME degree, be it steel, metal, machine, or fabric, textiles, cloths, food, etc. etc. Why is it that the world doesn't associate ANY of these things with the Arab/muslims? Have we overlooked something? If they are on this so-called gold mine of oil for so long, seems to ME that they should have been the worlds super-expert on oil development etc. (that could have been their contribution to human/industry). But yet they never "got it". The "West" has to come in and beat them on the heads and say: Hel LOW!, McFly... Are ya gonna get on this oil development stuff, or ar we gonna have to call in Europe, Russia, and the "Great Satin" to do it? 'samatta you? The Anti-America, Pro Arab/Muslim sympathizers/apologists are gonna nees to start SPELLING out to the world *what* their contributions to human advancement actually ARE, and what their plan IS to make up for lost time before things will EVER turn around for them. Othersise, they will contine to go downhill, and the whole damn place will turn into a borderless Lebanon. And yes, you can, as a "white American," visit Mecca. But I wouldn't advise it in your case. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:27:11 -0700, "Mr Wizzard" wrote: Coupla Q's: What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) Hate to tell you this, but Moslems (or Muslims - take your pick) along with the Hindus, invented the concept of zero. There is some dispute about who invented it first, but it would appear that it may have been a case of simultaneous invention, but some evidence indicates that the Hindus came to it much later than the Pan-Arabian ethnic grouping. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 is called the Arab/Hindu (or Hindu/Arabic - all depends on who you talk to) number system and without it, you wouldn't have any of the above. Curiously enough, it first appeared in the 1,000 BC in Babylon or as we know it Iraq,by Babylonian mathematicians and/or astronomers. The first "zero" was actually a blank so it would look something like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1_ 11 12, etc. It went from a blank to " at some point (it's been a while - I'm doing this from memory). Eventually, sometime around the 1st Century BC, a proper zero was developed, but went through several iterations until it settled down to what we now know. Curiously enough, Pan-European mathematicians/astronomers never developed the concept until Arab traders brought it to Europe somewhere around 8/900 AD. Europeans were using a positional notation system, but it was confused and subject to royal fiat. Why is zero so important? Couple of reasons. In the A/H number system, zero is a place holder - example: 1101. However, it also is a number - zero. So,as you can probably infer, 111 is very different than 1101. And I'm getting carried away. Let's just say that the positional place-value system couldn't work without zero, that it was pretty much invented by Moslems (or Muslims) concurrently with some other ethnic groups and that, in fact, it took Arab traders to bring sense and commerce to the Pan-European mercantile system leading, of course, to the list you published above. So thats IT? - their contribution to the above was a "zero" ? (how ironic). But joking aside, this is "good". Is there more? I mean, what you spelled out here is important (and thats good), but lets build on that - lets see why there hasn't been more. At some point we need to look at this, and understand why they fell out of the game so long ago, and see what it will take to get them back in to the game (if they want to). And if they don't, we need to find out why, and what to do with a self-destructive culture that doesn't (that happens to want to take out the rest of the world). We've seen other despondent and self-destructive cultures before, but one that wants to also take out the other side is something we're not used to. (Hitler didn't want to take "out" the world, he just wanted to control it - very different). Later, Tom |
Mr Wizzard wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Mr Wizzard wrote: Coupla Q's: What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) ...'Nuff said. What have you, as a "white American," contributed to advancing the areas you mentioned? *Much*! .... (you wanna compare Resumes ?) But your comment suggest a myopic mentality. Active in the above areas, why is it that I don't see Arab/muslims active in trade journals etc in the context of the above? Ahhh. You think all Muslims have names that fit your stereotypes. Is the A.M.A., IEEE, etc. etc. all "biased" media sources too?? There are many Muslim scientific contributors in the world, though many have left their homelands. Just why *IS* it that companies ike Haliburton in an Arab land is an issue in the FIRST place? Because that is where they can get the best non-bid contracts. Why IS it that (of all places) "France" has to come in and build nulcear reactors in Iraq/Iran? What of more basic things like manufacturing, and construction? Why IS it that the "Germans" have to come in an build concreate bunkers for Saddam Hussien ? ...I thought "Bin Ladan" was the construction king? If you haven't noticed, and thus was the "message" here, the Arabs (for what*ever* reason), have fallen out humam advancement years ago, and it has led to this mis-placed Ara fustration that the world has come to know as "militant islam". Well, I think you're wrong. These days, there are plenty of Muslims even in their homelands making interesting scientific progress. And the Arab leader wanna-b's try to explain this by a voo-doo religion as the reason/cause. A voo-doo religion? You're quite the racist, eh. |
wrote in message oups.com... Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. But are the other two really self-destructive, and of a design that fosters homicide bombing, and teaches/breeds this idea of "self" destruction? I mean, other cultures that dabbled in the "methods" of self-destruction (Japan's Komacozi's etc) actually had a goal/cause. Plus, when they dabbled in it, it was in an implementation that could have actually "worked" (in the plight of their cause/goals). That is to say, Japan actually had a "strategy", it just happened to have self-destruction as one of its components. M.I. (Militant Islam) on the other hand, has no such "strategy", as it is all driven by a physiological/emotional thing, and not logic. Proof is in the puddling: M.I., and Bin Ladan, and the like are responsible for MORE loss of Arab life, and Arab ground then they even know! - terrorism has caused them to lose MORE then they even know!. Following Bin Laden didn't give them any love - they done lost Afghanistan. Iraq never got Iran in the 80's, Saddam found his ass in an American clink (on *his* own turf), there is no "Club-Med" in the Pali area's, Lebanon is a **** hole, Iran's a ticking time-bomb about to be turned into an all-glass Holiday Inn, so their main export of terrorism ain't getting them Jack. But, all that only "seems" bad in context's of a "goal/cause". If one has no cause/goal, its all a moot point. M.I. needs, (and will be) eliminated, *and* the Arab cultures need to be brought back into human advancement(s), and be in the same game, as this will put them back on equal footing with human development, and the World at large. |
Mr Wizzard wrote:
components. M.I. (Militant Islam) on the other hand, has no such "strategy", as it is all driven by a physiological/emotional thing, and not logic. Ahh, I have it now. Christianity as practiced by conservative white males in the United States is driven by logic, and not the emotional. |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:47:18 -0400, Argyle argyle@nospam wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:58:46 -0700, "Mr Wizzard" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:27:11 -0700, "Mr Wizzard" wrote: Coupla Q's: What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) Hate to tell you this, but Moslems (or Muslims - take your pick) along with the Hindus, invented the concept of zero. There is some dispute about who invented it first, but it would appear that it may have been a case of simultaneous invention, but some evidence indicates that the Hindus came to it much later than the Pan-Arabian ethnic grouping. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 is called the Arab/Hindu (or Hindu/Arabic - all depends on who you talk to) number system and without it, you wouldn't have any of the above. Curiously enough, it first appeared in the 1,000 BC in Babylon or as we know it Iraq,by Babylonian mathematicians and/or astronomers. The first "zero" was actually a blank so it would look something like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1_ 11 12, etc. It went from a blank to " at some point (it's been a while - I'm doing this from memory). Eventually, sometime around the 1st Century BC, a proper zero was developed, but went through several iterations until it settled down to what we now know. Just one small correction. The Islam religion started with Mohammad in the 7th century. Thus the above assertions do not match the time line. Correction noted/point taken - Arabs and Moslems appeared in/around/about 630 AD and Islam is actually an offshoot of Assyrian Christianity. Islam was a unifying force in what was essentially a military campaign of conquest. My point, perhaps poorly made, was that in terms of ethnic heritage, the Arabs, now mostly Muslim, did indeed contribute to the rise of Western Civilization. Later, Tom |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:58:46 -0700, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ So thats IT? - their contribution to the above was a "zero" ? (how ironic). But joking aside, this is "good". Is there more? I mean, what you spelled out here is important (and thats good), but lets build on that - lets see why there hasn't been more. How do you define "more"? If I look around at the array of individuals who provide me and my family with health care, three of the doctors, including my internist, are Muslim and are very good at what they do. I work with a Iranian on occasion who has made some very interesting and valuable contributions to quantum physics - notably in the area of quantum foam. It's like asking what Americans have contributed to the world - space science? Mostly Jewish physicists and conscripted ex-Nazi German rocketeers. Medicine, certainly, but so have individuals who were French, German, Japanese and the first heart transplant was done by a South African. You can't define a society by what individuals accomplish as individuals. At some point we need to look at this, and understand why they fell out of the game so long ago, and see what it will take to get them back in to the game (if they want to). The Arabs have always been assimilators (you will be assimilated - snerk) and as their society adapted to the influences of other cultures and systems, advances were made everywhere from China to Britain. They were the main trading group of merchants and entrepreneurs throughout the Middle East and beyond and spread these different ideas around igniting the scientific/industrial and other revolutions. if they don't, we need to find out why, and what to do with a self-destructive culture that doesn't (that happens to want to take out the rest of the world). We've seen other despondent and self-destructive cultures before, but one that wants to also take out the other side is something we're not used to. (Hitler didn't want to take "out" the world, he just wanted to control it - very different). I understand what you are saying and I appreciate that view, but to my mind, societies evolve, devolve and evolve once more. Certainly, the current situation isn't the best, but this is basically a tribal conflict similar to any number of ethnic/tribal conflicts that continue to infest world order and peace. I'm not at all sure there is an answer. |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:46:59 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
Mr Wizzard wrote: components. M.I. (Militant Islam) on the other hand, has no such "strategy", as it is all driven by a physiological/emotional thing, and not logic. Ahh, I have it now. Christianity as practiced by conservative white males in the United States is driven by logic, and not the emotional. Harry, have you ever heard of the proverbial 'Christmas Goose"? -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:40:11 -0400, roadburner
roadburner^at^comcast^dot^net wrote: Sorry about the signature mix up in my previous post. roadburner is the name of the Tor server I operate as a public service. ~~ snip ~~ Very cool. No problem. |
"John H." wrote in message ... On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." Go and read "Black Rednecks and Whit Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. It will bring you back to reality as far as what is happening in the world today and why. |
Mr Wizzard wrote: Coupla Q's: What have muslims done to : contrubute to the medical industry? contribute to the Spaces Sciences ? contribute to Environmental conservation? contribute to agrricultural research ? contribure to Internalional Food aid ? contribute to Computer Science research ? comtribute to religious tollerance ? (i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take a vacation and visit Mecca?) ...'Nuff said. Contributed to medical industry? How about invented the concept of modern medicine in the first place? An Arab medical text was *the* standard practice manual throughout Europe and Asia for about 150 years and helped pull European doctors out of the voo-doo heebie-jeebie blame it on evil-spirits dark ages. Contributed to Space Science? How about invented the concept of modern astronomy? Invented advanced math? Contributed to Environmental conservation? Does a few thousand years of working with nature to renew and cultivate the fields in the Nile Delta count? Contributed to Computer Science? Would the invention of our numbering system, as well as algebra and (that's an Arab word,al-gebra) other advanced math concepts count? Contributed to religious tolerance? Remember, the terrorists represent mainstream Islam only as much as the KKK represents mainstream Christianity. Both cite holy writ as justification for attacking and murdering folks who don't conform to the small group supposedly anointed by their screwed up version of God. Mainstream Muslims regard Jews and Christians as "people of the Book," and believe that a devout Jew or a devout Christian can be admitted to whatever sort of Paradisic Disneyland the Muslims imagine they will inhabit after death. Muslims are taught, and the Quran demands, that Jesus, Moses, and Abraham be honored and respected. The Quran calls Jesus an anointed messenger from God. Sounds like a lot more "religious tolerance" than you'll hear extended to Islam by many right wing Americans these days. In mainstream Islam, the term "infidel" is more exactly applied to people who are not monotheists. Jews and Christians are only called "infidels" by the most radical elements of Islam. Google up "Jesus in the Quran". You might find it surprising. Why were the Crusaders of the 10th and 11th Centuries called "infidels"? Because many of them were. The Pope would call for a crusade, and most of the land owners and rulers needed to at least give lip service to Christianity to remain in power, but among the ranks of footmen and other "grunts" there were a lot of folks still openly following the Old Religion. Yes, there are exhortations to violence in the Quran. Just as there are exhortations to violence, murder, and even genocide in the Holy Bible. (Check out the book of Joshua. If you say, "you have to take that it context", I would ask "why we must take Joshua in context but then insist on reading the Quran out of context?") Any white American can vacation in a Muslim country, and many routinely do. It's best not to act the fool while there, of course, and to respect the tenents of the host culture just as one would when visiting anywhere else. If one walks down the street drinking from an open beer bottle, gooses the women walking by, and has a smut magazine rolled up under one's arm there's going to be some serious trouble- but would that be the fault of the Muslim society or the ignorance and arrogance of the American visitor? "nuff said"? :-) |
Bert Robbins wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." Go and read "Black Rednecks and Whit Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. It will bring you back to reality as far as what is happening in the world today and why. Sowell is a GOP hack, and is as far removed from "what is happening" in the world today as I am from breaking 80 on any regulation golf course. |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:12:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." Go and read "Black Rednecks and Whit Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. It will bring you back to reality as far as what is happening in the world today and why. Sowell is a GOP hack, and is as far removed from "what is happening" in the world today as I am from breaking 80 on any regulation golf course. No Harry, he is not. Considering that most of his academic resume involves liberal institutions and that he is a well respected and highly regarded economist, hack is not a good description. Sometimes you try too hard Harry. Later, Tom |
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:12:29 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." Go and read "Black Rednecks and Whit Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. It will bring you back to reality as far as what is happening in the world today and why. Sowell is a GOP hack, and is as far removed from "what is happening" in the world today as I am from breaking 80 on any regulation golf course. No Harry, he is not. Considering that most of his academic resume involves liberal institutions and that he is a well respected and highly regarded economist, hack is not a good description. Sometimes you try too hard Harry. Later, Tom Please, Tom. Sowell is nothing more than an apologist for the right wing, his credentials notwithstanding. |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:00:45 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:12:29 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote: Jack wrote: I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are horrible. The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to do more to stop the extremists in their own religion. wrote in message ups.com... http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9 You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold. Is that the new leftist mantra? "Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them." Go and read "Black Rednecks and Whit Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. It will bring you back to reality as far as what is happening in the world today and why. Sowell is a GOP hack, and is as far removed from "what is happening" in the world today as I am from breaking 80 on any regulation golf course. No Harry, he is not. Considering that most of his academic resume involves liberal institutions and that he is a well respected and highly regarded economist, hack is not a good description. Sometimes you try too hard Harry. Please, Tom. Sowell is nothing more than an apologist for the right wing, his credentials notwithstanding. Nope - don't work that way. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Mr Wizzard wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Is the A.M.A., IEEE, etc. etc. all "biased" media sources too?? There are many Muslim scientific contributors in the world, though many have left their homelands. Well **** dude, lay em on us here - show me the goods. List em out right here. Start right here, and now : 1) _______ ? Just why *IS* it that companies ike Haliburton in an Arab land is an issue in the FIRST place? Because that is where they can get the best non-bid contracts. er boy... This is gonna take longer that I thought. Look, the notion was that "why do the Haliburtons, and oil development, research, and refinerty consultants even *exist* when so much of their income is Oil" ?? Why IS it that (of all places) "France" has to come in and build nulcear reactors in Iraq/Iran? What of more basic things like manufacturing, and construction? Why IS it that the "Germans" have to come in an build concreate bunkers for Saddam Hussien ? ...I thought "Bin Ladan" was the construction king? If you haven't noticed, and thus was the "message" here, the Arabs (for what*ever* reason), have fallen out humam advancement years ago, and it has led to this mis-placed Ara fustration that the world has come to know as "militant islam". Well, I think you're wrong. These days, there are plenty of Muslims even in their homelands making interesting scientific progress. Humm, " interesting scientific progress" huh ? What in IED's and roadside bombs? So list them: 1) ______ ? 2) ______ ? .... And the Arab leader wanna-b's try to explain this by a voo-doo religion as the reason/cause. A voo-doo religion? You're quite the racist, eh. "Race" ?? since when does Muslimism "describe" ones "race" ?? Are they born Muslims ? Ca-mon dude, yer killing me here..... Talk about Stereotypes, hell, you fall face-first into this ****. Muslimism in NOT a Race. Religion itSELF is not a "race". You are falling for exactaly what they designed into this stuff. |
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