On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:15:09 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

Note: Not OT as gas grills are used by many at their boat docks.

We purchased a nice Ducane gas grill for the house 13 years ago and despite
replacement of the burners and coals it is now on its last leg.

So.....we are looking for recommendations from the gas grill users out
there.

We are considering this Vermont Castings unit (VM450SSP) from Home Depot:
http://tinyurl.com/76azj

It is not cheap but was listed number 4 by Consumers Report on gas grill
assessment in their June, 2005 magazine. The 3 grills rated before this one
were either in the $1,000+ range or had smaller cooking areas and less BTU
output.

We like the stainless steel burners, high BTU output, relatively nice size
of the main grill cooking area and warranty. Downside is the price.

We use our grill throughout the year and are looking for good performance
and a long life for the price.

Does anyone have any experience with this grill or can you offer a
suggestion on another?




We got a Weber with the natural gas burners and got a
plumber/pipefitter to run a natural gas line with a quick-connect to
the patio. We put the other quick-connect on the grill inlet hose.
Worked like a charm. (My wife does the grilling because I was born
without the BBQ gene. )
I could do sausage and burgers while she could cook turkeys and all
sorts of large food I would have made charcoal out of.
We loved the Weber.
Mark E. Williams

Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:

[snip]
We got a Weber with the natural gas burners and got a
plumber/pipefitter to run a natural gas line with a quick-connect to
the patio. We put the other quick-connect on the grill inlet hose.
[snip]

How much did they charge you to run the gas line? Did you need to
permit it, and was it a problem with a quick-disconnect?

We moved a couple of months ago and once again didn't have gas line at
the laundry facility for our dryer. This time I decided I had better
things to do so I called a plumber.

Gas was available in the furance closet on the other side of the wall
from the dryer. Three fittings and valve to extend the line maybe 5
feet total with a simple wall penatration.

The first estimate was nearly $700! "What the hell?!" This plumber's
explanation was that gas line installs and mods have such high
liability that the cost is always a shock to customers, adding the
average a gas job is about $1,200.

"Most people usually just say 'to heck with it' and go buy an electric
dryer, " he joked. He then proceeded to explain to me exactly what he
would do. Exactly what I would do. . . And I did. . . for about $35.

Get a permit and an inspection. Then when you sell, all is OK. The permit
devision will normally even give you some advice.

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
oups.com...
Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:

[snip]
We got a Weber with the natural gas burners and got a
plumber/pipefitter to run a natural gas line with a quick-connect to
the patio. We put the other quick-connect on the grill inlet hose.
[snip]

How much did they charge you to run the gas line? Did you need to
permit it, and was it a problem with a quick-disconnect?

We moved a couple of months ago and once again didn't have gas line at
the laundry facility for our dryer. This time I decided I had better
things to do so I called a plumber.

Gas was available in the furance closet on the other side of the wall
from the dryer. Three fittings and valve to extend the line maybe 5
feet total with a simple wall penatration.

The first estimate was nearly $700! "What the hell?!" This plumber's
explanation was that gas line installs and mods have such high
liability that the cost is always a shock to customers, adding the
average a gas job is about $1,200.

"Most people usually just say 'to heck with it' and go buy an electric
dryer, " he joked. He then proceeded to explain to me exactly what he
would do. Exactly what I would do. . . And I did. . . for about $35.

Bill McKee wrote:
Get a permit and an inspection. Then when you sell, all is OK. The permit
devision will normally even give you some advice.

I think you guys have misunderstood my post. I am not looking for
advice. I was asking about the guys experience and cost of having a
gas line installed so I can compare to what I ran into - high priced
plumbing work.

I am not concerned about the status of the gas line I ran for my dryer.
I have two close relatives that are long time building inspection
officials, and the next time they are over for visit I will check on
permitting requirements.

The last time asked about this (in a previous home where I had a nearly
identical situation) I seem to recall that I didn't need a permit to
add less than 10 ft of gas pipe. I assume that this is still pretty
much the case as neither of the two licensed plumbers I asked to
estimate the job had anything in the estimates about permits or
inspections.


"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
oups.com...
Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:

[snip]
We got a Weber with the natural gas burners and got a
plumber/pipefitter to run a natural gas line with a quick-connect to
the patio. We put the other quick-connect on the grill inlet hose.
[snip]

How much did they charge you to run the gas line? Did you need to
permit it, and was it a problem with a quick-disconnect?

We moved a couple of months ago and once again didn't have gas line at
the laundry facility for our dryer. This time I decided I had better
things to do so I called a plumber.

Gas was available in the furance closet on the other side of the wall
from the dryer. Three fittings and valve to extend the line maybe 5
feet total with a simple wall penatration.

The first estimate was nearly $700! "What the hell?!" This plumber's
explanation was that gas line installs and mods have such high
liability that the cost is always a shock to customers, adding the
average a gas job is about $1,200.

"Most people usually just say 'to heck with it' and go buy an electric
dryer, " he joked. He then proceeded to explain to me exactly what he
would do. Exactly what I would do. . . And I did. . . for about $35.

Curtis CCR wrote:
Bill McKee wrote:
Get a permit and an inspection. Then when you sell, all is OK. The permit
devision will normally even give you some advice.

I think you guys have misunderstood my post. I am not looking for
advice. I was asking about the guys experience and cost of having a
gas line installed so I can compare to what I ran into - high priced
plumbing work.


Bill gives everyone advice, most of it bad. He's even advocated getting
a molded car coolant hose, cutting it, or kinking it, or whatever, to
fit a boat motor. That could have the potential of disaster, and even
death, when it would be quite easy to get the correct hose, or at least
a flex hose.

The permits are really cheap, but the Calif. home sale disclosures are so
bad anymore, they can come back for 10s-100's of thousand $$$ for minor
stuff.

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
oups.com...


Bill McKee wrote:
Get a permit and an inspection. Then when you sell, all is OK. The
permit
devision will normally even give you some advice.

I think you guys have misunderstood my post. I am not looking for
advice. I was asking about the guys experience and cost of having a
gas line installed so I can compare to what I ran into - high priced
plumbing work.

I am not concerned about the status of the gas line I ran for my dryer.
I have two close relatives that are long time building inspection
officials, and the next time they are over for visit I will check on
permitting requirements.

The last time asked about this (in a previous home where I had a nearly
identical situation) I seem to recall that I didn't need a permit to
add less than 10 ft of gas pipe. I assume that this is still pretty
much the case as neither of the two licensed plumbers I asked to
estimate the job had anything in the estimates about permits or
inspections.


"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
oups.com...
Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:

[snip]
We got a Weber with the natural gas burners and got a
plumber/pipefitter to run a natural gas line with a quick-connect to
the patio. We put the other quick-connect on the grill inlet hose.
[snip]

How much did they charge you to run the gas line? Did you need to
permit it, and was it a problem with a quick-disconnect?

We moved a couple of months ago and once again didn't have gas line at
the laundry facility for our dryer. This time I decided I had better
things to do so I called a plumber.

Gas was available in the furance closet on the other side of the wall
from the dryer. Three fittings and valve to extend the line maybe 5
feet total with a simple wall penatration.

The first estimate was nearly $700! "What the hell?!" This plumber's
explanation was that gas line installs and mods have such high
liability that the cost is always a shock to customers, adding the
average a gas job is about $1,200.

"Most people usually just say 'to heck with it' and go buy an electric
dryer, " he joked. He then proceeded to explain to me exactly what he
would do. Exactly what I would do. . . And I did. . . for about $35.

Curtis CCR wrote:

"Most people usually just say 'to heck with it' and go buy an electric
dryer, " he joked. He then proceeded to explain to me exactly what he
would do. Exactly what I would do. . . And I did. . . for about $35.

The thing about it, it isn't hard to seal connections when the natural
gas operating pressure, after the meter is only about 4 psi.

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
oups.com...
Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:

[snip]
We got a Weber with the natural gas burners and got a
plumber/pipefitter to run a natural gas line with a quick-connect to
the patio. We put the other quick-connect on the grill inlet hose.
[snip]

How much did they charge you to run the gas line? Did you need to
permit it, and was it a problem with a quick-disconnect?

In most municipalities.......you need a permit for everything (like
replacing a HW. heater)............it is their way of generating $$$ and
ngetting a peek inside your house............in reality.....most people
don't pull permits for work like that.


We moved a couple of months ago and once again didn't have gas line at
the laundry facility for our dryer. This time I decided I had better
things to do so I called a plumber.

Gas was available in the furance closet on the other side of the wall
from the dryer. Three fittings and valve to extend the line maybe 5
feet total with a simple wall penatration.

The first estimate was nearly $700! "What the hell?!" This plumber's
explanation was that gas line installs and mods have such high
liability that the cost is always a shock to customers, adding the
average a gas job is about $1,200.

You should always get multiple quotes, it is amazing what some of these
guys try to charge to the unknowing homeowner. ( I just got quotes for
removing three large trees - emeral ash borer got them - one was $3700, the
other $2400...that is a helluva difference)


"Most people usually just say 'to heck with it' and go buy an electric
dryer, " he joked. He then proceeded to explain to me exactly what he
would do. Exactly what I would do. . . And I did. . . for about $35.

On 21 Jul 2005 21:24:30 -0700, "Curtis CCR"
wrote:

Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:

[snip]
We got a Weber with the natural gas burners and got a
plumber/pipefitter to run a natural gas line with a quick-connect to
the patio. We put the other quick-connect on the grill inlet hose.
[snip]

How much did they charge you to run the gas line? Did you need to
permit it, and was it a problem with a quick-disconnect?


story snipped

I don't really remember as it was about 25 years ago and in Calif.
We were having a pool and hottub put in the back yard and he just teed
off the gas line for the hottub heater while he was running it. The
pool/tub stuff was all permited but I don't think the
tee/quick-connect was.
Mark E. Williams