"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Maybe, after careful study & deliberation, their decisions are wiser than
you give them credit for. Many people criticise Justice O'Connor for her
unwillingness to overturn 'Roe vs Wade.'

Sounds to me like she trusts MOST people to make the right decisions for
themselves, with the least amount of government "help". Wait...that sounds
familiar. Isn't that a pillar of conservative thinking?


You have put your finger on an important point. Most of today's
"conservatives" are not really conservative. Traditional conservative values
include

- Fiscal responsibility.
- Reluctance to send troops overseas unless really justified.
- Competence.
- Honesty.
- Individual responsibility.
- Individual freedoms and rights.

How do the Bush administration and supporters fare on these measures?

Fiscal responsibility: Rather than "tax and spend" they borrow and spend,
driving deficits and national debt to record levels while providing billions
is tax breaks to the super-wealthy and corporations..

Reluctance to send troops overseas unless really justified: Start an
unjustified and illegal war in Iraq based on a tissue of lies and bad
intelligence. 1700+ American troops dead, untold thousands maimed, more
terrorists now than ever before.

Competence: An astounding degree of incompetence in planning and executing
the "war on terror". Incompetents such as Rice, Wolfowitz promoted.

Honesty: An endless stream of distortions, misrepresentations, and outright
lies on everything from the war, terrorism. the prescription benefit,
climate change - the list goes on and on.

Individual responsibility: Thinks government should be able to tell people
how to run their private lives when it comes to reproduction, medical
marijuana, choosing a spouse, etc.

Individual freedoms and rights: Thinks it's fine to torture people. Thinks
it's fine to arrest American citizens and deny them all constitutional
protections.

Score? 0%. As left-of-center moderate I am ****ed enough at the Bush cabal.
If I were a conservative I would be livid.


Peter Aitken

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
om...

medical marijuana,

Rumor has it that the DEA is taking a close look at chamomile tea, chicken
soup and apple sauce, which it considers to be indicators of a nasty trend
toward self-medication. I'm hoarding ammunition, just in case. Not sure if I
should tip off my former mother-in-law, who, in the past, had a homemade
apple sauce lab operating in her kitchen. Very bad. She was dealing the
stuff to minors, specifically my son when he was little. I wanted to
complain, but she coerced me to keep quiet by babysitting for free. I was
afraid to say anything to the proper authorities.

Peter Aitken wrote:
You have put your finger on an important point. Most of today's
"conservatives" are not really conservative. Traditional conservative values
include

- Fiscal responsibility.
- Reluctance to send troops overseas unless really justified.
- Competence.
- Honesty.
- Individual responsibility.
- Individual freedoms and rights.


Bullseye! A good post, exactly the kind that infuriates the Bush/Cheney
cheerleaders because there is NO answer...

But I am curious, Peter: since you identify yourself as a left-of-center
moderate, do you disagree with any of the above values?

Regards
Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Peter Aitken wrote:
You have put your finger on an important point. Most of today's
"conservatives" are not really conservative. Traditional conservative
values include

- Fiscal responsibility.
- Reluctance to send troops overseas unless really justified.
- Competence.
- Honesty.
- Individual responsibility.
- Individual freedoms and rights.


Bullseye! A good post, exactly the kind that infuriates the Bush/Cheney
cheerleaders because there is NO answer...

But I am curious, Peter: since you identify yourself as a left-of-center
moderate, do you disagree with any of the above values?

Didn't you see the post about his new boat? He fiscally irresponsible. :-)

But I am curious, Peter: since you identify yourself as a left-of-center
moderate, do you disagree with any of the above values?


Doug Kanter wrote:
Didn't you see the post about his new boat? He fiscally irresponsible. :-)


Oh, right... OOPS!

I've avoided the stigma of 'fiscally irresponsible' because I've never
bought a boat at a cost which exceeded my stock portfolio's capital
gains for the year

Can I be in the club?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Peter Aitken wrote:
You have put your finger on an important point. Most of today's
"conservatives" are not really conservative. Traditional conservative
values include

- Fiscal responsibility.
- Reluctance to send troops overseas unless really justified.
- Competence.
- Honesty.
- Individual responsibility.
- Individual freedoms and rights.


Bullseye! A good post, exactly the kind that infuriates the Bush/Cheney
cheerleaders because there is NO answer...

But I am curious, Peter: since you identify yourself as a left-of-center
moderate, do you disagree with any of the above values?


In the broad sense I agree with all of them. But then one person's
"Individual freedoms and rights" will be different from another person's. I
could argue one position based on "individual freedoms and rights" and
another person could argue the opposite position also based on "individual
freedoms and rights." It's a complicated business, no? At least it is if you
keep your mind open and think about things. The problem with most Bush
supporters - and some liberals too it must be said - is that their mind is
made up and they are unwilling to consider other possibilities. It's easy to
be dogmatic, but not good for anyone.

Peter Aitken


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Peter Aitken