... Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian.

Really? Then why are so many of the pro-Bush/Cheney crowd such ignorant
bigots? You might check the educational system rankings of various
Red/Blue states, too.


Dan J.S. wrote:
Yes, liberal degrees maybe. You will note that most MBA holders are
republicans.

And you consider this a good thing? To most people, an MBA represents a
person who is skilled at ways of milking profit while destroying
productivity... the guy who outsources your job.

... Anyone making any money
will vote republican.

Really? I make pretty good money and I have not voted Republican in a
national election in years.

In short, your expressed views are simply a prejudiced denial of fact...
is this a good basis for decision making IYHO?

... It doesn't matter if they believe in the Iraq war, or
abortion, or anything else, they just care about paying less in taxes.
Everything else is secondary. The people that run the financial institutions
in the U.S. will vote republican.

In which case, they deserve to suffer when all the bubbles burst.
Unfortunately, the rest of us are being dragged down too.

DSK

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Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.

What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian. The few that are democrats have another
agenda, like politics and power. You can bash Bush all the time, but in
the end it's all about paying less in taxes. Something the republicans
promise and deliver.

Have you ever dealt with the financials for a company that intentionally
lowers its income (perhaps by lowering prices due to competition), and
at the same time announces a new expenditure that it will only describe
as "a lot", and cannot give any estimate of when the expenditure will
cease? Instead, it says "We can always issue more bonds".

Would you buy stock in a company like that? Even better: Would you like
to be the spokesman at the shareholders meeting, shortly after these
financial antics were announced?


Sounds like the company wants to go bankrupt - and wants to give
preference to the bond holders by sucking out the cash. Keep in mind,
last 3 years of corporate corruptions have put in place rules that will
effectively protect shareholders from this.


You're right. The company wants to go bankrupt. Now: Why are you
comfortable with our government doing this? And, please don't say
"lowering taxes increases revenue at the other end", because there's no
linear connection between the two. Correlation, maybe, but you don't make
financial plans based on correlation, just as you don't invest money in
stocks if you must have the cash in a year without any risk.


I agree that we are spending too much. I honestly do. Is the war in Iraq
necessary, I don't know. Should we support the troops that are there, hell
yeah (so yes, i am basically contradicting my first sentence). However,
there are a few things in place that will pay down this debt. Keep in mind,
when we came out of WWII, it was the best decade the U.S. has seen. I do
not believe that the U.S. is anywhere close to bankruptcy, and I am hoping
that the administration will use the proceeds from oil sales in Iraq to pay
some of it down. We are also seeing things on the business side that are
moving. This year has been one of the best years for venture capital. More
people are starting their own business. Yes manufacturing is going over
seas, but more and more services industries are popping up. Things are going
well.

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Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.

What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there were
all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is either a
republican or a libertarian. The few that are democrats have another
agenda, like politics and power. You can bash Bush all the time, but
in the end it's all about paying less in taxes. Something the
republicans promise and deliver.

Have you ever dealt with the financials for a company that
intentionally lowers its income (perhaps by lowering prices due to
competition), and at the same time announces a new expenditure that it
will only describe as "a lot", and cannot give any estimate of when the
expenditure will cease? Instead, it says "We can always issue more
bonds".

Would you buy stock in a company like that? Even better: Would you like
to be the spokesman at the shareholders meeting, shortly after these
financial antics were announced?


Sounds like the company wants to go bankrupt - and wants to give
preference to the bond holders by sucking out the cash. Keep in mind,
last 3 years of corporate corruptions have put in place rules that will
effectively protect shareholders from this.


You're right. The company wants to go bankrupt. Now: Why are you
comfortable with our government doing this? And, please don't say
"lowering taxes increases revenue at the other end", because there's no
linear connection between the two. Correlation, maybe, but you don't make
financial plans based on correlation, just as you don't invest money in
stocks if you must have the cash in a year without any risk.


I agree that we are spending too much. I honestly do. Is the war in Iraq
necessary, I don't know. Should we support the troops that are there, hell
yeah (so yes, i am basically contradicting my first sentence). However,
there are a few things in place that will pay down this debt. Keep in
mind, when we came out of WWII, it was the best decade the U.S. has seen.
I do not believe that the U.S. is anywhere close to bankruptcy, and I am
hoping that the administration will use the proceeds from oil sales in
Iraq to pay some of it down. We are also seeing things on the business
side that are moving. This year has been one of the best years for venture
capital. More people are starting their own business. Yes manufacturing is
going over seas, but more and more services industries are popping up.
Things are going well.


Dan, I applaud you for working past the personal attacks and insults
directed at you and others by Krause and Kanter in this thread. It is a
shame they have to rely on such childish behavior rather than partaking in a
discussion in an adult way.

My hats off to you Dan.

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Just what rec.boats needs, another anti-intellectual idiot.

What do you expect when the Lord in Chief and his minions frown on
learning?


I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there
were all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is
either a republican or a libertarian. The few that are democrats have
another agenda, like politics and power. You can bash Bush all the
time, but in the end it's all about paying less in taxes. Something
the republicans promise and deliver.

Have you ever dealt with the financials for a company that
intentionally lowers its income (perhaps by lowering prices due to
competition), and at the same time announces a new expenditure that it
will only describe as "a lot", and cannot give any estimate of when
the expenditure will cease? Instead, it says "We can always issue more
bonds".

Would you buy stock in a company like that? Even better: Would you
like to be the spokesman at the shareholders meeting, shortly after
these financial antics were announced?


Sounds like the company wants to go bankrupt - and wants to give
preference to the bond holders by sucking out the cash. Keep in mind,
last 3 years of corporate corruptions have put in place rules that will
effectively protect shareholders from this.


You're right. The company wants to go bankrupt. Now: Why are you
comfortable with our government doing this? And, please don't say
"lowering taxes increases revenue at the other end", because there's no
linear connection between the two. Correlation, maybe, but you don't
make financial plans based on correlation, just as you don't invest
money in stocks if you must have the cash in a year without any risk.


I agree that we are spending too much. I honestly do. Is the war in Iraq
necessary, I don't know. Should we support the troops that are there,
hell yeah (so yes, i am basically contradicting my first sentence).
However, there are a few things in place that will pay down this debt.
Keep in mind, when we came out of WWII, it was the best decade the U.S.
has seen. I do not believe that the U.S. is anywhere close to bankruptcy,
and I am hoping that the administration will use the proceeds from oil
sales in Iraq to pay some of it down. We are also seeing things on the
business side that are moving. This year has been one of the best years
for venture capital. More people are starting their own business. Yes
manufacturing is going over seas, but more and more services industries
are popping up. Things are going well.


Dan, I applaud you for working past the personal attacks and insults
directed at you and others by Krause and Kanter in this thread. It is a
shame they have to rely on such childish behavior rather than partaking in
a discussion in an adult way.

My hats off to you Dan.


You must have a macro set up on your computer that makes comments on
personal attacks. Where do you see me being rude to Dan? I simply provided a
hypothetical situation involving a corporation, just as I'm sure he and his
teachers did when he studied for his MBA. He responded in a constructive
way, as expected.

Let me guess: Do you have problems with hypothetical examples, as Dave Hall
used to? Remember how he was allergic to the "straw man", as he called it?
You too?

"DSK" wrote in message
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To most people, an MBA represents a person who is skilled at ways of
milking profit while destroying productivity... the guy who outsources
your job.

What??? Slow down, Doug. You're starting to make generalizations that are
unbecoming to your usual scintillating clarity.

*JimH* wrote:

Dan, I applaud you for working past the personal attacks and insults
directed at you and others by Krause and Kanter in this thread. It is a
shame they have to rely on such childish behavior rather than partaking in a
discussion in an adult way.

My hats off to you Dan.

Now how about YOU stopping your childish insults, and petty name
calling? Any and every discussion I enter, here you come, with Fritz's
nose firmly planted in your ass. You've done that to any and every
thread that I'm involved in Jim. As you stated, it's a shame that you
"rely on such childish behavior".

Harry,
Was the campus as Kansas liberal? Since you received your undergraduate
degree from Kansas, didn't they recommend you get your masters from a
different school? I guess if you could not get into a better school, what
the heck.




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Dan J.S. wrote:
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Dan J.S. wrote:
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Dan J.S. wrote:
I got my MBA from Northwestern University, and the teachers there
were all hands on. Anyone that is educated and makes good money is
either a republican or a libertarian.
Really? Then why are so many of the pro-Bush/Cheney crowd such
ignorant bigots? You might check the educational system rankings of
various Red/Blue states, too.
Yes, liberal degrees maybe.
Liberal degrees?


Liberal arts, etc


I doubt you even know what the "liberal arts" are. They ain't necessarily
"liberal."

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Dan J.S. wrote:
I agree that we are spending too much. I honestly do.

And yet, you seem to be insisting that Bush/Cheney & Co are managing the
country well.

... Is the war in Iraq
necessary, I don't know. Should we support the troops that are there, hell
yeah (so yes, i am basically contradicting my first sentence).

Not really. There is a big difference between supporting (ie believing &
cheering) the person(s) who started the war & are profiting from it; and
supporting the people who are ordered to go fight it.


... However,
there are a few things in place that will pay down this debt. Keep in mind,
when we came out of WWII, it was the best decade the U.S. has seen.

That is a lie. There was a pretty serious recession & unemployment
problems in 1945 & '46. However, a lot of people on your side will tell
you that FDR was a horrible incompetent traitor and the New Deal 'didn't
work' so I suppose it's a relatively minor quibble.

... I do
not believe that the U.S. is anywhere close to bankruptcy

I don't either, but we're racing towards it and we have to stop at some
point.

... and I am hoping
that the administration will use the proceeds from oil sales in Iraq to pay
some of it down.

How? The oil fields are not producing and any potential profits are
being sucked up by hiring new security forces while failing to rebuild
infrastructure as fast as the insurgents blow it up.


... We are also seeing things on the business side that are
moving. This year has been one of the best years for venture capital.

After 5 years, don't you think it's about time???

DSK

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*JimH* wrote:

Dan, I applaud you for working past the personal attacks and insults
directed at you and others by Krause and Kanter in this thread. It is a
shame they have to rely on such childish behavior rather than partaking
in a
discussion in an adult way.

My hats off to you Dan.

Now how about YOU stopping your childish insults, and petty name
calling? Any and every discussion I enter, here you come,

Unlike yours, my posts are generally on topic and lack personal attacks and
insults Kevin.

Harry,
When you were younger, did you find you had to make up stories to get the
other kids to like you?


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Harry,


Bite me, asshole!



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