"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Anyway, I keep maybe a hundred rounds of the fancy .40 cal (because it's
expensive), and couple thousand of the Speer Lawman when I find it on
sale (or when I can find it at all). I'll go through no more than 20-30
rounds a month. I do more dry fire practice now. Much better for your
targeting acquisition techniques, believe it or not.

I have a few hundred rounds of various shotgun gauges and loads,
and about 3,500 rounds of "other" ammo, including 200 rounds of Swedish
6.5 Mauser I bought for my buddy's 1914 model of that rifle. When we shoot
together out at his place, we take about 10 rounds each out of the Mauser.
It's a wonderful rifle. We've got a 100-yard shooting range out there,
down a gentle slope into a ravine, with a few cords of firewood as a
backstop, and beyond that, a hill.

So many dogs, so little time............

Maybe, after careful study & deliberation, their decisions are wiser than
you give them credit for. Many people criticise Justice O'Connor for her
unwillingness to overturn 'Roe vs Wade.'


Gene Kearns wrote:
Justice O'Connor was the progenitor of a number of wise decisions and
she could clearly see beyond pop-politics.


Agreed... and add that it's rather difficult to criticise most Supreme
Court decisions, much less individual SC judges opinions on them,
without careful study. OTOH it's really easy to holler insults because
the outcome isn't what one might prefer at a glance.


The current terms "liberal" and "conservative" are, in my mind, merely
dogmatic, counterproductive, inaccurate pop-politics terms for groups
for which one either wishes to (1) assign as a reference group or (2)
assign as a group to hate that espouses a belief system of wrong
positions.

Yes, it's particularly funny to see the labels being flung about as
insults when the flinger has no clue... last year, Pat Buchanan was
giving an interview on NPR in which he was quite critical of President
Bush, and some of my ditto-head co-workers were calling him a liberal
whacko.


Doug Kanter wrote:
Sounds to me like she trusts MOST people to make the right decisions for
themselves, with the least amount of government "help". Wait...that sounds
familiar. Isn't that a pillar of conservative thinking?



No, it isn't. It might be an interesting dictionary assignment to look
up "conservative" and see if it means this. Forget the pop-politics
talking points of recent years.

Here's a start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative

Excellent link, although not such a good starting point IMHO because
it's rather complex.

I identify myself as a political conservative because of my belief in a
few conservative core values:

The status quo of social and economic order should
be maintained, or adjusted very slightly, to
meet certain demands. (Note: the corresponding
liberal belief is that the social and
economic order of society is secondary to the
needs of individuals, and that the
status quo should not be respected.) This is
probably the core divider between real
conservatism and liberalism.

Morals are not relative, and principles are not a
matter of inconvenience. In the same light,
hypocrisy regarding morals, ethics, and principle
is one of the most repugnant human failings.

The gov't should be fiscally restrained. The 'power of the purse' shoudl
be held by representatives directly responsible to the citizens (note:
300 years ago this was a dangerously liberal belief).


Every right comes at a cost, and every priviledge
carries a corresponding obligation.

The country's military should be maintained or
increased in strength to the extent of
being able to defeat any realistic threats.

Criminals guilty of certain heinous acts deserve
the death penalty.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...767265668660c4

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Maybe, after careful study & deliberation, their decisions are wiser
than you give them credit for. Many people criticise Justice O'Connor
for her unwillingness to overturn 'Roe vs Wade.'


Gene Kearns wrote:
Justice O'Connor was the progenitor of a number of wise decisions and
she could clearly see beyond pop-politics.


Agreed... and add that it's rather difficult to criticise most Supreme
Court decisions, much less individual SC judges opinions on them, without
careful study. OTOH it's really easy to holler insults because the outcome
isn't what one might prefer at a glance.

"Careful study" - I think that's what's missing when people bitch loudly
about certain judicial nominees. I wonder if these people have ever heard or
read transcripts of what goes on in many SC hearings. NPR will sometimes
read excerpts. It's rather fascinating, especially because it often involves
the justices throwing hypothetical legal questions at lawyers, as a way of
pushing legal questions to absurd extremes, and peel away anything but the
most basic logic. And, I recently heard a commentator say that sometimes,
the justices refuse to overturn a law not because they agree with it, but
because they think it should be debated further in lower courts (and the
press & other public forums) so lawyers can return later with more clearly
defined arguments. I think this is brilliant, and it means the justices are
doing exactly what's right.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Careful study" - I think that's what's missing when people bitch loudly
about certain judicial nominees.

Sure. Most people who are hollering these days seem to think that the
majority of the Supreme Court is somehow 'liberal.'



.... And, I recently heard a commentator say that sometimes,
the justices refuse to overturn a law not because they agree with it, but
because they think it should be debated further in lower courts (and the
press & other public forums) so lawyers can return later with more clearly
defined arguments. I think this is brilliant, and it means the justices are
doing exactly what's right.


Agreed again... and this is one of the problems I have with 'Bush vs
Gore'... not only is it a dangerous precedent, one with little or no
underpinning in the Constitution, but they shouldn't have taken the case
before the lower court had finished. Besides, look what's happened since
then!

DSK

"Argyle" argyle@nospam wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:49:49 -0400, DSK wrote:

Argyle wrote:
I must have misunderstood something you said, if so, it was
unintended.


OK, want to try again?

Who would Jesus bomb?
Nobody.

Uh huh... and it is a "vast majority'? Furthermore, does an 11%
majority
justify demonizing all who disagree?

I try not to demonize but feel strongly about it. Just as I would
demonize
those that do not believe in racial equlity.

Demonizing the opposition is a pretty standard tactic for the Christian
Right movement. Maybe you should try to get them to tone it down a bit.
I'll try to be nicer and more tolerant.

Demonizing the opposition is the standard for liebrals...........once
again they accuse others of what they are guilty of.




Why do you call conservative justices "liberal"? Do you think so
little
of Reagan's appointees?


Who appointed them is not a concern. Their decisions are.


Maybe, after careful study & deliberation, their decisions are wiser
than you give them credit for. Many people criticise Justice O'Connor
for her unwillingness to overturn 'Roe vs Wade.'
Maybe, and maybe not on their decisions. Do you call a 5 to 4 decision a
vast majority? I am still pro-life and a Christian. I could care less if
you
are not. Fact is, I don't care what you beleve in. As long as you have
morals.

The reason for overturning Roe vs Wade has nothing to do with abortion,
it has everything to do with the returning the fed. guvmint back to its
consitutionally limited mandates.



But you appear to support "legislation from the bench" when it is
anti-gay and anti-abortion?


No, I don't.

Well, that's good. Maybe you'll be a good influence when discussion
turns to the upcoming battle over Robert's nomination.
I'll wait to see what those that have access to the records have to say.
If
there is a problem, I guess it will be on partisan lines. Until then, I
don't know enough to form an opinion.


Regards,
Argyle

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:13:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..

and now am
able to enjoy my first love... teaching. For me, academia is a choice,
not a station of last resort.

11 beers for you. :-) Teachers who like to teach are a precious asset.
What
do you teach?


I started out teaching Vocational Machine Shop, but I now teach
Aviation Maintenance Technology.

I'm afraid to ask, but I will: Do you sometimes get students who are barely
qualified to work at Jiffy Lube, and think they're ready to work on aircraft
that carry hundreds of passengers (to their deaths)?

Doug,
Something to think about when you go to the doctor, 50% of the doctors
graduated in the bottom half of the schools. You will find the same in all
industries, including aircraft mechanics. ; )


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:13:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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and now am
able to enjoy my first love... teaching. For me, academia is a choice,
not a station of last resort.

11 beers for you. :-) Teachers who like to teach are a precious asset.
What
do you teach?


I started out teaching Vocational Machine Shop, but I now teach
Aviation Maintenance Technology.

I'm afraid to ask, but I will: Do you sometimes get students who are
barely qualified to work at Jiffy Lube, and think they're ready to work on
aircraft that carry hundreds of passengers (to their deaths)?

Agreed. However, for many of the doctor-patient situations you'll find
yourself in, you have an opportunity to speak to the doctor and get a sense
of how much confidence to place in him/her. You never get to speak to the
person working on the plane you're about to board.


"Real Name" wrote in message
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Doug,
Something to think about when you go to the doctor, 50% of the doctors
graduated in the bottom half of the schools. You will find the same in
all industries, including aircraft mechanics. ; )


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:13:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
m...

and now am
able to enjoy my first love... teaching. For me, academia is a choice,
not a station of last resort.

11 beers for you. :-) Teachers who like to teach are a precious asset.
What
do you teach?


I started out teaching Vocational Machine Shop, but I now teach
Aviation Maintenance Technology.

I'm afraid to ask, but I will: Do you sometimes get students who are
barely qualified to work at Jiffy Lube, and think they're ready to work
on aircraft that carry hundreds of passengers (to their deaths)?

Harry,
Do you dislike all those who speak English as a second language or do you
just find them to be inferior to those who speak English as a first
language?



"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Agreed. However, for many of the doctor-patient situations you'll find
yourself in, you have an opportunity to speak to the doctor and get a
sense of how much confidence to place in him/her. You never get to speak
to the person working on the plane you're about to board.

Not to worry; with all the airline cutbacks, your pilots on US-flagged
airlines won't be speaking English as their primary language anymore,
anyway.

Three weeks of simulated flight training in Bangladore, and they'll be
flying United.

I hope I can avoid public transportation for the next few months. There is
no homeland security in this country these days, and the Metro in DC is a
prime target. My wife uses it to get around downtown more than I do, and
I've asked her to take cabs, instead.


--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Agreed. However, for many of the doctor-patient situations you'll find
yourself in, you have an opportunity to speak to the doctor and get a
sense of how much confidence to place in him/her. You never get to speak
to the person working on the plane you're about to board.

Not to worry; with all the airline cutbacks, your pilots on US-flagged
airlines won't be speaking English as their primary language anymore,
anyway.

Three weeks of simulated flight training in Bangladore, and they'll be
flying United.

I hope I can avoid public transportation for the next few months. There is
no homeland security in this country these days, and the Metro in DC is a
prime target. My wife uses it to get around downtown more than I do, and
I've asked her to take cabs, instead.

I gave up on the airlines 10-15 years ago. I'll only fly when there's really
no other practical choice. I don't like their "acceptable casualties"
formula.