no the total cost with tax and license was 12300. i refused to have the
taxes and license in the loan
wrote in message
ups.com...
Was your "total cost" inclusive of tax and license?

What are sales tax and license fees in your state?

Because taxes and license fees will vary so much from one state to
another, it's usually better to compare net prices than figures "out
the door."

no the total cost with tax and license was 12300. i refused to have the

taxes and license in the loan


*********

So you paid $11,500 for the boat, plus tax and license for a total of
$12,300.

That sounds like about the same deal Mr. Wizzard is looking at,
roughly. You must have a fairly low tax rate if you got by with tax on
$11.5k and registration fees for only $800.

Well, then thats about right then. I called Olympic Boat center and
had them spell out hte charges. The missing money is the $550 in
what they call "rigging" - the putting on of the outdrive, battery,
assembly etc. They are stiff, lemme tell ya... I even called other
Olympic boatcenters - FIRM! - $12,750 out the door, not a penny
cheaper.


"seeray28" wrote in message
...
no the total cost with tax and license was 12300. i refused to have the
taxes and license in the loan
wrote in message
ups.com...
Was your "total cost" inclusive of tax and license?

What are sales tax and license fees in your state?

Because taxes and license fees will vary so much from one state to
another, it's usually better to compare net prices than figures "out
the door."

I bought the 175 four months ago. My two cents:

1) There is little (no) room for negotiation in the base price of
$9,995. Adding dealer prep charges and sales tax, you should expect to
pay approx. $12,000, (excluding any dealer installed options). You
should also add some basic safety equipment (as per Coast Guard
requirements) - this would bring the price to about $12,300. $12,875
without any accessories or optional equipment looks a little bit high.
I paid $12,800 for my boat including safety package, bimini top and
boat cover.

2) It's a great entry level boat. It is very solid and the hull
performs very well. Despite the low price, it is as good (or better)
as any higher priced boat in the same size category in terms of
structural strength and performance / handling. The standard trailer
that comes with the boat is OK. The built quality is also fine - I
have not found any obvious quality issues with my boat, nor other 3
identical boats I inspected before making the purchase. The negatives
that come with the low price a
- no options (engines, electronics, etc.)
- very basic (but functional) interior
- it lacks the "sexy" look of more expensive boats (simple paint job,
"boxy" windshield)

3) The 3.0 engine has enough power for regular use, including sking.
It is simple, reliable and relatively easy and cheap to maintain.
Spare parts and service are available everywhere. My boat runs 26 mph
at 3000 rpm with 2 adults + 2 children, and WOT speed is close to 45
mph (at 4800 rpm). But the best thing is fuel economy. I can enjoy a
full day on the water burning less than 10 gal of fuel.

4) You don't say how and where are you going to use the boat. Because
of its size and design, the Bayliner 175 is not an "ocean liner" or
serious off-shore boat - nor any other 17 or 18 ft runabout would be.
But it's great to boat around on lakes and rivers. I use mine on lake
Pontchartrain in Louisiana and surronding rivers and bayous. For the
people not familiar with lake Pontchartrain, it is 20 miles wide and 40
miles long, and usually has a nasty 2 ft chop. The 175 delivers a safe
and dry (although sometimes bumpy) ride on our lake, and I have never
had any issues or safety concerns, even when caught once right in the
middle of the lake in "small craft advisory" conditions.

Net, great entry level boat to enjoy every weekend without worrying
about breaking the bank. It does not have the looks and the extra
details of similar sized boats that cost 30 to 50% more, but it is easy
to enjoy with the family.

"katekebo" wrote in message
oups.com...
I bought the 175 four months ago. My two cents:

1) There is little (no) room for negotiation in the base price of
$9,995. Adding dealer prep charges and sales tax, you should expect to
pay approx. $12,000, (excluding any dealer installed options). You
should also add some basic safety equipment (as per Coast Guard
requirements) - this would bring the price to about $12,300. $12,875
without any accessories or optional equipment looks a little bit high.
I paid $12,800 for my boat including safety package, bimini top and
boat cover.

2) It's a great entry level boat. It is very solid and the hull
performs very well. Despite the low price, it is as good (or better)
as any higher priced boat in the same size category in terms of
structural strength and performance / handling. The standard trailer
that comes with the boat is OK. The built quality is also fine - I
have not found any obvious quality issues with my boat, nor other 3
identical boats I inspected before making the purchase. The negatives
that come with the low price a
- no options (engines, electronics, etc.)
- very basic (but functional) interior
- it lacks the "sexy" look of more expensive boats (simple paint job,
"boxy" windshield)

3) The 3.0 engine has enough power for regular use, including sking.
It is simple, reliable and relatively easy and cheap to maintain.
Spare parts and service are available everywhere. My boat runs 26 mph
at 3000 rpm with 2 adults + 2 children, and WOT speed is close to 45
mph (at 4800 rpm). But the best thing is fuel economy. I can enjoy a
full day on the water burning less than 10 gal of fuel.

4) You don't say how and where are you going to use the boat. Because
of its size and design, the Bayliner 175 is not an "ocean liner" or
serious off-shore boat - nor any other 17 or 18 ft runabout would be.
But it's great to boat around on lakes and rivers. I use mine on lake
Pontchartrain in Louisiana and surronding rivers and bayous. For the
people not familiar with lake Pontchartrain, it is 20 miles wide and 40
miles long, and usually has a nasty 2 ft chop. The 175 delivers a safe
and dry (although sometimes bumpy) ride on our lake, and I have never
had any issues or safety concerns, even when caught once right in the
middle of the lake in "small craft advisory" conditions.

Net, great entry level boat to enjoy every weekend without worrying
about breaking the bank. It does not have the looks and the extra
details of similar sized boats that cost 30 to 50% more, but it is easy
to enjoy with the family.

Excelent review! - very helpfull. (you guys are 'arite!) Bottom line here
is $12,875, and they won't budge. So we're real close (dollar wise),
so I guess this is a good deal. First big boat (above my 9.5 Zodiac Zoom
with a brand new Jonson 8), so just moving slow here. I'm close to getting
the gumption to just say, ah ****, lets just do it.

As far as what I'd be doing with it? - well, whatever I *can* do with it.
Lots of local lakes here, and just to get it out on the ocean/Lake
Washington,
Puget Sound, or whatever/wherever I can safely go with it.

A couple of more after-thoughts...

The price I paid included registration (until 2008) in Louisiana.
Also, I can't quite understand the term "rigging" - the boat should
come with the battery, etc. included. But still, $12,800 or a little
bit more is a good price for such a boat.

Although I did not have any problems with my boat - the engine is
running smooth, the transmission cables are well adjusted, etc., I did
identify one defect which, if not corrected immediately, could be a
safety issue - the bilge pump was not working because one of the cable
connections was loose. Being a mechanically-inclined person, I
corrected the problem myself before taking the boat on the water.
Also, I do the basic maintenance (oil change, etc.) myself. However, I
have read few posts on web forums from people who had some problems
with their new 175's - engine alarm not working, engine running rough,
etc. So before taking the boat home, go for a test ride with the
dealer and make sure that ALL problems (regardless of how small) get
corrected. Don't play with safety, make sure that the boat is in 100%
perfect conditions before taking it to open waters. And demand that
all defects are corrected under warranty to your complete
satisfactions. If the dealer does not respond, contact Bayliner
(Brunswick Marine) directly - usually they give good customer service.

If you want more information about your new boat and help from other
Bayliner users, check the following link:
http://pub12.ezboard.com/bbocweb

Good luck with you new boat. Enjoy it.


Mr Wizzard wrote:
"katekebo" wrote in message
oups.com...
I bought the 175 four months ago. My two cents:

1) There is little (no) room for negotiation in the base price of
$9,995. Adding dealer prep charges and sales tax, you should expect to
pay approx. $12,000, (excluding any dealer installed options). You
should also add some basic safety equipment (as per Coast Guard
requirements) - this would bring the price to about $12,300. $12,875
without any accessories or optional equipment looks a little bit high.
I paid $12,800 for my boat including safety package, bimini top and
boat cover.

2) It's a great entry level boat. It is very solid and the hull
performs very well. Despite the low price, it is as good (or better)
as any higher priced boat in the same size category in terms of
structural strength and performance / handling. The standard trailer
that comes with the boat is OK. The built quality is also fine - I
have not found any obvious quality issues with my boat, nor other 3
identical boats I inspected before making the purchase. The negatives
that come with the low price a
- no options (engines, electronics, etc.)
- very basic (but functional) interior
- it lacks the "sexy" look of more expensive boats (simple paint job,
"boxy" windshield)

3) The 3.0 engine has enough power for regular use, including sking.
It is simple, reliable and relatively easy and cheap to maintain.
Spare parts and service are available everywhere. My boat runs 26 mph
at 3000 rpm with 2 adults + 2 children, and WOT speed is close to 45
mph (at 4800 rpm). But the best thing is fuel economy. I can enjoy a
full day on the water burning less than 10 gal of fuel.

4) You don't say how and where are you going to use the boat. Because
of its size and design, the Bayliner 175 is not an "ocean liner" or
serious off-shore boat - nor any other 17 or 18 ft runabout would be.
But it's great to boat around on lakes and rivers. I use mine on lake
Pontchartrain in Louisiana and surronding rivers and bayous. For the
people not familiar with lake Pontchartrain, it is 20 miles wide and 40
miles long, and usually has a nasty 2 ft chop. The 175 delivers a safe
and dry (although sometimes bumpy) ride on our lake, and I have never
had any issues or safety concerns, even when caught once right in the
middle of the lake in "small craft advisory" conditions.

Net, great entry level boat to enjoy every weekend without worrying
about breaking the bank. It does not have the looks and the extra
details of similar sized boats that cost 30 to 50% more, but it is easy
to enjoy with the family.

Excelent review! - very helpfull. (you guys are 'arite!) Bottom line here
is $12,875, and they won't budge. So we're real close (dollar wise),
so I guess this is a good deal. First big boat (above my 9.5 Zodiac Zoom
with a brand new Jonson 8), so just moving slow here. I'm close to getting
the gumption to just say, ah ****, lets just do it.

As far as what I'd be doing with it? - well, whatever I *can* do with it.
Lots of local lakes here, and just to get it out on the ocean/Lake
Washington,
Puget Sound, or whatever/wherever I can safely go with it.

Around 6/24/2005 7:49 PM, Mr Wizzard wrote:

As far as what I'd be doing with it? - well, whatever I *can* do with it.
Lots of local lakes here, and just to get it out on the ocean/Lake
Washington,
Puget Sound, or whatever/wherever I can safely go with it.

Lake W. is a blast. I've got an aunt and uncle with a waterfront home
and a dock at the south end, and I always enjoy tubing down there.

Just last weekend, I took my dad for a nice Father's Day weekend day
trip. Launched at Everett, headed down to Seattle and went through the
locks, cruised around Lake Union for a while, and headed back. Saw some
nice boats, got a nice tan, and even saw the Garth Foss, looking good as
usual. It was especially fun watching the North American Laser
Championship races taking place north of Shilsole Bay, but not
particularly fun trying to work our way around them.

As for wherever you can safely go, my dad took the 14' all the way up to
Desolation Sound when he was a teen. I personally have had it as far
north as Nanaimo. *If* you pick your weather and take your time, a 17'
should be able to handle most of the Puget Sound and Gulf Islands.

Of course, my dad and I both had larger "support" boats along in case of
emergency...


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

As for wherever you can safely go, my dad took the 14' all the way up
to
Desolation Sound when he was a teen. I personally have had it as far
north as Nanaimo. *If* you pick your weather and take your time, a 17'
should be able to handle most of the Puget Sound and Gulf Islands.


Of course, my dad and I both had larger "support" boats along in case
of
emergency...


************

I agree with Garth....
PIcking the weather will be very important when using that boat on
Puget Sound.

Under better than average conditions you will be fine.
Under average conditions, you will occasionally be challenged.
Under anything much worse than average conditions, you will need to be
somewhat skillful and/or moderately lucky.
If the wind really starts to howl, you could be in serious trouble.

Advice for Mr. Wizzard:

If you're hitting the salt water with your new boat, make sure you
install a VHF. VHF is not required safety equipment, (and some people
think they can substitute a cell phone), but the smaller the boat the
more the reasons why you want to be able to communicate not just with
the Coast Guard or your family back at home but other vessels in the
vicinity where you will be using the boat. VHF is less critical on a
small lake, as most of the other boats won't have a VHF or won't be
monitoring it, (and if the wind comes up unexpectedly you might bo only
a few minutes from the ramp)......but out on the Sound etc almost
everybody with a boat of any size will be monitoring the VHF.

Have a great time! :-)

wrote in message
oups.com...
As for wherever you can safely go, my dad took the 14' all the way up
to
Desolation Sound when he was a teen. I personally have had it as far
north as Nanaimo. *If* you pick your weather and take your time, a 17'
should be able to handle most of the Puget Sound and Gulf Islands.


Of course, my dad and I both had larger "support" boats along in case
of
emergency...


************

Thanks Chuck, and all the others in this thread for the wonderfull info.
Shopping for boats has been very difficult for me with all the old junk
out there, the used, the new, the unforeseen problems on used ****, prices
of new ****, hell, my head was about to explode! - I couldn't handle
the anguish anymore, it was consuming me, I had to put and end to it.
So, I went out Sunday morning, had breakfast, drove down to Olympic,
spend an hour+ talking to the guy and thinking about it, and walking
back and forth and back out to the parking lot for a smoke, and said
screw it, I gotta put an end to this madness, and I walked back in and
told the guy, ok, lets do it, sign me up, lets get this over with. So I did
it, and I'll take delivery of my new 2005 Bayliner 175 this Wednesday night.
BTW, this was another salesman at another store than the one I originally
went to. Also learned more about the pricing on this boat too. They make
exactally $168 on this boat, and thats set in stone, and thats all there is
to it.

And I'll look into getting a VHF rig. And as a ham radio guy, this would
be a welcome addition anyways. So between now and Wednesday night,
any last minute things I need to know about (or should get) ? I do plan
on getting their little Coast Guard kit they have with fenders, life vests,
etc.

Thanks !






I agree with Garth....
PIcking the weather will be very important when using that boat on
Puget Sound.

Under better than average conditions you will be fine.
Under average conditions, you will occasionally be challenged.
Under anything much worse than average conditions, you will need to be
somewhat skillful and/or moderately lucky.
If the wind really starts to howl, you could be in serious trouble.

Advice for Mr. Wizzard:

If you're hitting the salt water with your new boat, make sure you
install a VHF. VHF is not required safety equipment, (and some people
think they can substitute a cell phone), but the smaller the boat the
more the reasons why you want to be able to communicate not just with
the Coast Guard or your family back at home but other vessels in the
vicinity where you will be using the boat. VHF is less critical on a
small lake, as most of the other boats won't have a VHF or won't be
monitoring it, (and if the wind comes up unexpectedly you might bo only
a few minutes from the ramp)......but out on the Sound etc almost
everybody with a boat of any size will be monitoring the VHF.

Have a great time! :-)