Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four
years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was
applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman
year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the
article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF

NOYB wrote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.


He's not "portrayed" that way, President Bush does in fact mangle words
& sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.


Does anybody actually believe this? Strikes me as yet another case of
Bush's records being conveniently lost or falsified.

If you want to see the *real* difference between the two, compare how
the two's children speak in public, and behave in general. But hey, if
'family values' matter most to you, then you probably won't care about
raising intelligent, well balanced, well-spoken, professional, and
high-achieving kids... at least, if you claim you care about family
values and voted for Bush anyway...

DSK

NOYB wrote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four
years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was
applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman
year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the
article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF

School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence.

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NOYB wrote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George
W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his
four
years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was
applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his
freshman
year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see
the
article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF

School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence.


I believe it was you who posted information about Bush's grades when he was
in school. It was posted during the election hoopla.

Why were grades important then but now not important?

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NOYB wrote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George
W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his
four
years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was
applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his
freshman
year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see
the
article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF

School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence.

Is that the story you used to tell your mom?

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George
W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his
four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he
was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his
freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see
the article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF



What did Kerry take? I've seen Bush's transcript and noted he took all the
courses we referred to as "puds."

Stop asking sensible questions right this minute.

Bush dumb? Kerry Dumber?

Dumber yet would be anybody equating GPA with intelligence. Grades have
a lot to do with motivation,
social issues, and (in what passes for education these days), the
ability to parrot back factoids on "exams" that do little to
demonstrate whether the student actually understands the material.

Bush has a lower verbal IQ than Kerry's, and probably slightly lower
than average. This is apparent to anyone who has heard him attempt to
speak without a prompter. He admits he doesn't read, but rather has his
staff read newspapers and periodicals for him and prepare summaries.

Verbal IQ is not the sum total of intelligence. There is another
portion of IQ, spatial reasoning and deduction
(i.e. math skills) where Bush may do very well. While one can observe
evidence of verbal IQ when another person attempts to communicate, the
other aspects are not apparent to the casual observer and are best
evaluated with a specialized test.

There is no doubt that Bush is more shrewd, cunning, and ruthless than
Kerry. If those can be considered aspects of "intelligence", (and they
may well be- they allow a person to be effective against opposition),
Bush clearly wins in that category.

Historians will never consider GWB to be the brightest bulb in the
presidential chandelier, but there is little direct correlation between
college grades and native intelligence. Some very bright people
undoubtedly went to college and screwed around socializing rather than
studying. College doesn't make anyone intelligent. Some emerge
"educated", but that is a different quality entirely.

Smartest presidents in the last 50 years would have to include:

JFK
Jimmy Carter (proving there is no direct correlation between being a
smart person and an extremely good president)
Bill Clinton
Ronald Reagan (in his first term)

Johnson, Nixon, and Bush the First were also pretty bright, but I'd put
them down a level below the group in the previous paragraph

Bush the Second and Gerald Ford bring up the rear, IMO.

He's not "portrayed" that way, President Bush does in fact mangle words
& sentences.



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Bush has made a successful career by having people underestimate his
intelligence.

That, and having extremely powerful family connections.


... I think he sits around inventing quotable ways to mangle
the language.

It's possible. Maybe he does it while also working on how to safely eat
pretzels.


Think about it, what is harder? Simply winning because you are the
best candidate or finding a way to steal it and getting away with it?

The "better candidate" shouldn't have to find a way to steal the
election, furthermore it strikes me as unlikely that the country would
be better off being run by election-stealers, and I can't understand why
anybody would be proud of supporting a liar & election stealer. But
there seem to be a large number of people who do exactly that.

A dumb guy could not devise and execute that plan
You folks can't have it both ways.

Who said Karl Rove was dumb?

DSK

Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the
numbers of bites you've had with this bait.
LMAO

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Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his
four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he
was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his
freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the
article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF

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NOYB wrote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George
W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his
four
years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was
applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his
freshman
year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see
the
article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF

School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence.


I believe it was you who posted information about Bush's grades when he was
in school. It was posted during the election hoopla.

I believe you are.....wrong.

Why were grades important then but now not important?

I never ever said they WERE important.