Bush dumb? Kerry Dumber?

Dumber yet would be anybody equating GPA with intelligence. Grades have
a lot to do with motivation,
social issues, and (in what passes for education these days), the
ability to parrot back factoids on "exams" that do little to
demonstrate whether the student actually understands the material.

Bush has a lower verbal IQ than Kerry's, and probably slightly lower
than average. This is apparent to anyone who has heard him attempt to
speak without a prompter. He admits he doesn't read, but rather has his
staff read newspapers and periodicals for him and prepare summaries.

Verbal IQ is not the sum total of intelligence. There is another
portion of IQ, spatial reasoning and deduction
(i.e. math skills) where Bush may do very well. While one can observe
evidence of verbal IQ when another person attempts to communicate, the
other aspects are not apparent to the casual observer and are best
evaluated with a specialized test.

There is no doubt that Bush is more shrewd, cunning, and ruthless than
Kerry. If those can be considered aspects of "intelligence", (and they
may well be- they allow a person to be effective against opposition),
Bush clearly wins in that category.

Historians will never consider GWB to be the brightest bulb in the
presidential chandelier, but there is little direct correlation between
college grades and native intelligence. Some very bright people
undoubtedly went to college and screwed around socializing rather than
studying. College doesn't make anyone intelligent. Some emerge
"educated", but that is a different quality entirely.

Smartest presidents in the last 50 years would have to include:

JFK
Jimmy Carter (proving there is no direct correlation between being a
smart person and an extremely good president)
Bill Clinton
Ronald Reagan (in his first term)

Johnson, Nixon, and Bush the First were also pretty bright, but I'd put
them down a level below the group in the previous paragraph

Bush the Second and Gerald Ford bring up the rear, IMO.

On 7 Jun 2005 11:04:38 -0700, wrote:

Bush dumb? Kerry Dumber?

Dumber yet would be anybody equating GPA with intelligence. Grades have
a lot to do with motivation,
social issues, and (in what passes for education these days), the
ability to parrot back factoids on "exams" that do little to
demonstrate whether the student actually understands the material.

Bush has a lower verbal IQ than Kerry's, and probably slightly lower
than average. This is apparent to anyone who has heard him attempt to
speak without a prompter. He admits he doesn't read, but rather has his
staff read newspapers and periodicals for him and prepare summaries.

Wow! For years psychologists have argued the ways and means of actually
determining intelligence. You've got it all figured out.

You *are* a certifiable genius, just based on that one paragraph!

--
John H

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
...."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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Bush dumb? Kerry Dumber?

Dumber yet would be anybody equating GPA with intelligence. Grades have
a lot to do with motivation,
social issues, and (in what passes for education these days), the
ability to parrot back factoids on "exams" that do little to
demonstrate whether the student actually understands the material.

Bush has a lower verbal IQ than Kerry's, and probably slightly lower
than average. This is apparent to anyone who has heard him attempt to
speak without a prompter. He admits he doesn't read,

Bush never said that.

but rather has his
staff read newspapers and periodicals for him and prepare summaries.

Of course. The POTUS doesn't have the time to sit down and dissect two
dozen different newspapers each morning.


Verbal IQ is not the sum total of intelligence. There is another
portion of IQ, spatial reasoning and deduction
(i.e. math skills) where Bush may do very well. While one can observe
evidence of verbal IQ when another person attempts to communicate, the
other aspects are not apparent to the casual observer and are best
evaluated with a specialized test.


There is no doubt that Bush is more shrewd, cunning, and ruthless than
Kerry.

Cunningness is not something demonstrated by those of low IQ.


If those can be considered aspects of "intelligence", (and they
may well be- they allow a person to be effective against opposition),
Bush clearly wins in that category.

Can you name a better trait for a President, than having the ability to be
effective against opposition...particularly during a war?


Historians will never consider GWB to be the brightest bulb in the
presidential chandelier,

Certainly not the left-leaning historians. And a right-leaning historian
simply doesn't exist. Righties are the go-getters...and lefties are the
whining Monday morning quarterbacks.


but there is little direct correlation between
college grades and native intelligence. Some very bright people
undoubtedly went to college and screwed around socializing rather than
studying. College doesn't make anyone intelligent. Some emerge
"educated", but that is a different quality entirely.

Smartest presidents in the last 50 years would have to include:

JFK

Naw.

Jimmy Carter (proving there is no direct correlation between being a
smart person and an extremely good president)

Carter was quite intelligent, but not street smart.

Bill Clinton

Yes, very smart.

Ronald Reagan (in his first term)

Yes. In both terms.


Johnson, Nixon, and Bush the First were also pretty bright, but I'd put
them down a level below the group in the previous paragraph

Nixon was as smart and savvy as any of 'em. He lacked charisma and
self-confidence.

Bush the first was pretty sharp too.


Bush the Second and Gerald Ford bring up the rear, IMO.


Bush may be perhaps the smartest of all. He has a knack for consistently
making his opponents "misunderestimate" him. Yet he always comes out on
top. Either you have to believe he's pretty darn smart...or you believe
that Forrest Gump was a true story being played out in the White House.

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Bush dumb? Kerry Dumber?

Dumber yet would be anybody equating GPA with intelligence. Grades have
a lot to do with motivation,
social issues, and (in what passes for education these days), the
ability to parrot back factoids on "exams" that do little to
demonstrate whether the student actually understands the material.

That's true for liberal art classes but in the applied fields like
engineering and math, you have to demonstrate that you not only understand
the material but actually have the mental ability to use the information.

So thats why it took drunkya so long to
put down "My Pet Goat" on 9-11, superior GPA.

HA, OBL Determined to Strike US, Aug, 2001

JG

Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the
numbers of bites you've had with this bait.
LMAO

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was
the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W.
Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually
identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had
received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a
roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his
senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his
four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he
was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his
freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

(In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant
portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the
article in it's entirety.)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the
numbers of bites you've had with this bait.
LMAO

I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag
grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in
this pond.

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:21:56 +0000, NOYB wrote:


I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag
grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in
this pond.

IIRC, goliath groupers were severely restricted. Are they starting to
make a come back? Have the restrictions been eased?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:21:56 +0000, NOYB wrote:


I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag
grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies
in
this pond.

IIRC, goliath groupers were severely restricted. Are they starting to
make a come back?

Yes. In fact, we probably have more of them in SW Florida than anywhere
else in the World. They are all over the wrecks and artifical reefs...so
much so that they're a nuisance when you're trying to catch other fish for
the cooler.



Have the restrictions been eased?

Not yet. Most down here advocate a limited take/harvest permit. Perhaps
you'll be able to get a tag that allows you one goliath/year. Hopefully it
stays closed to spear fishing though. They're too easy of a target, which
is what decimated the population the first time around.

"NOYB" wrote in message
news

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the
numbers of bites you've had with this bait.
LMAO

I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag
grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in
this pond.

Well, they will get even more shrill with this sort of news

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005...ry%20Meter.htm