On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:47:14 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

~~~snippage ~~~

How's the porgy fishing up north these days? When I was a little kid, a
friendly retired neighbor who went fishing about every day in his dory
would take me out to porgy fish. We used cut sandworms. Very successful,
and a tasty fish.

That's what we call bunker up 'round these parts.

As of last week when the bait boat left, there weren't none.

Later,

Tom

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:32:43 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:47:14 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

~~~snippage ~~~


How's the porgy fishing up north these days? When I was a little kid, a
friendly retired neighbor who went fishing about every day in his dory
would take me out to porgy fish. We used cut sandworms. Very successful,
and a tasty fish.


That's what we call bunker up 'round these parts.

As of last week when the bait boat left, there weren't none.

You call porgy "bunker?"

What about connors? Familiar with those?

Nope.

Later,

Tom

HarryKrause wrote:
*JimH* wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?


Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25


I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water
depths,
or
as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know,
the
radar,
however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar
cannot
pickup birds.


Really?

Damn...


I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how
radar works. :-)


Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either -
I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that.

The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome
antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination
a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat
like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar
system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with
practice and operating experience.

On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4
Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds
working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me
because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices
- either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up
for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And
the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you,
so you end up chasing anyway. :)

Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars
with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars.
The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds -
they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the
moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find
it.

For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational
schmuck like me it's relative.

The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't
pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some
experience and the right setup, you can do it.

Later,

Tom



Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds?


To find baitfish, or whatever fish the birds are diving on. Under the
baitfish, there may well be something larger and more interesting.

Off the Florida coast, I (along with other serious sportfisherguys)
would also look for logs or other debris floating in the ocean. The
debris attracted small marine life, the small marine life attracted
baitfish and the baitfish attracted something you might want to catch.

With open array radar right off the Florida coast, you could find birds
diving close to shore. That told you where the bait was, so you'd run
over to the area and castnet for shrimp or pogies or whatever, and fill
your live well.

Of course, if you spent most of your boating time tied to the marina
dock, the dockboy would bring you a fish dinner, eh?





This is just Krause BS lies!!!! This is his MO & it's sort of your own
personal IQ test if you believe him you're an idiot.

K

Your Krause lie for the day is the one where he pretends Ullico the
union thug pension fund is actually "his" business, when in reality it's
where he works:-) But the interesting thing here is get a go of how they
spend hard working unionists' money on themselves!!!

I'm not wondering if the liar Krause won't come back & tell us this is a
lie just so unionists' don't twig to what a rip off he & his mates a-)



We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a
401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our
employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two
weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third
year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20
days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company
administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model,
except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12
paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every
year. Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because
Bush is
such a total failure.


The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless
those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no
one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're
there
in case they're needed.


Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an
employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of
purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic
benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is
increased to
$10,000 per month.

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
HarryKrause wrote:
*JimH* wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water
depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?


Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25


I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water
depths,
or
as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know,
the
radar,
however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar
cannot
pickup birds.


Really?

Damn...


I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands
how
radar works. :-)


Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either -
I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that.

The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome
antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination
a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat
like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar
system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with
practice and operating experience.

On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4
Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds
working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me
because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices
- either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up
for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And
the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you,
so you end up chasing anyway. :)

Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars
with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars.
The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds -
they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the
moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find
it.

For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational
schmuck like me it's relative.

The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't
pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some
experience and the right setup, you can do it.

Later,

Tom



Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds?


To find baitfish, or whatever fish the birds are diving on. Under the
baitfish, there may well be something larger and more interesting.

Off the Florida coast, I (along with other serious sportfisherguys) would
also look for logs or other debris floating in the ocean. The debris
attracted small marine life, the small marine life attracted baitfish and
the baitfish attracted something you might want to catch.

With open array radar right off the Florida coast, you could find birds
diving close to shore. That told you where the bait was, so you'd run
over to the area and castnet for shrimp or pogies or whatever, and fill
your live well.

Of course, if you spent most of your boating time tied to the marina
dock, the dockboy would bring you a fish dinner, eh?





This is just Krause BS lies!!!! This is his MO & it's sort of your own
personal IQ test if you believe him you're an idiot.

K

And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish.
Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of?
LOL.

I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths.

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

*JimH* wrote:

And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish.
Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of?
LOL.

I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths.




It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen.

I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You,"
in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you
were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless.

The world is safer because you are boatless.

When did you put radar on the Yo Ho, Harry? I can't imagine you doing it this
year since you're considering selling it.

--
John H

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
...."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Harry is no longer using YoHo to fish, he is using his 36' Lobster Boat to
fish. I thought he purchased YoHo so he didn't have to get his lobster boat
dirty with fish guts. He really is too funny.


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:


*JimH* wrote:


And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish.
Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke
of? LOL.

I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths.



It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen.

I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in
your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were
wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless.

The world is safer because you are boatless.


When did you put radar on the Yo Ho, Harry? I can't imagine you doing it
this
year since you're considering selling it.

--
John H


When did I state I "put radar on Yo Ho," John? To the best of my
recollection, I never made such a statement.


--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

"John H" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

*JimH* wrote:

And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish.
Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke
of?
LOL.

I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths.




It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen.

I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You,"
in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you
were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless.

The world is safer because you are boatless.

" Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of
water, ..."

Seeing birds on radar. Seeing water depths on radar.

Hilarious.

"John Jay" wrote in message
news
Harry is no longer using YoHo to fish, he is using his 36' Lobster Boat to
fish. I thought he purchased YoHo so he didn't have to get his lobster
boat dirty with fish guts. He really is too funny.


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:


*JimH* wrote:


And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish.
Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke
of? LOL.

I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths.



It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen.

I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You,"
in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you
were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless.

The world is safer because you are boatless.


When did you put radar on the Yo Ho, Harry? I can't imagine you doing it
this
year since you're considering selling it.

--
John H


When did I state I "put radar on Yo Ho," John? To the best of my
recollection, I never made such a statement.


--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.



Caught in yet another lie. How fun.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

*JimH* wrote:

And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish.
Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke
of?
LOL.

I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths.




It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen.

I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You,"
in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you
were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless.

The world is safer because you are boatless.

" Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet
of
water, ..."

Seeing birds on radar. Seeing water depths on radar.

Hilarious.

He's pulling a "kevin"

"Red Cloud©" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:21:05 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

*JimH* wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:


*JimH* wrote:


And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find
fish.
Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you
spoke
of?
LOL.

I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths.




It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many
sportfishermen.

I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You,"
in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you
were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless.

The world is safer because you are boatless.


" Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet
of

water, ..."


Seeing birds on radar. Seeing water depths on radar.

Hilarious.




Let's try to break this down for you into a few (but not all)
possibilities:

You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. Your radar images can be
superimposed over your chartplotter images. Your charterplotter's "map"
shows depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture?


You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. They are separate
instruments. You are familiar enough with the capabilities of your radar
set to guesstimate how far away the birds are...and when you look at
your chartplotter, you see the depths or marked contour curves or both.
Got the picture?

You have a radar set. You are really familiar with your area, so when
the set says "birds," you know by looking at the monitor where the area
is, and you know the water depth there is 10-12 feet at low tide, or
whatever. Got the picture?

Let's repeat what you originally claimed:

"Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of
water, ..."

Note the key word....radar...not chartplotter, not depth sounder....radar.

Tracking birds with radar......yeach sure.



There are more possibilities, but I don't want you to fry your brain.


I see you are back to the insults Krause. I guess that is the sign you
again lost this discussion.



Since you are NOT a boater, and never were a serious fishermen, you
ought not to make comments that so clearly show you don't know your butt
from a hole in the ground, eh?

Oh I am a boater...a boatless one at present but still a boater.

I see you are back to the insults Krause. I guess that is the sign you
again lost this discussion.

How is that custom made 36 foot lobster boat that you have? You have not
talked about it much lately. Are you hoping that folks will somehow forget
your claims about it? Take a picture of the radar screen next time you are
out of the birds being tracked.

Pretty funny stuff Krause.

I will release you now.....I have had my fun catching you and playing with
you for a while.

Have a nice day.