*JimH* wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

HarryKrause wrote:

*JimH* wrote:


"MVG" wrote in message
legroups.com...


It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the
boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end
to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for
the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to
prevent the fender from going lower.

I have found two great products:

http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then
Sure Grip)

and

http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1

I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this
arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the
grip of the teeth.

Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this
application?

Mitch



Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat?



Because the cam cleat makes it easier to adjust the height of the fender
almost instantaneously.

I use a fender gripping device that allows me to slide the fender line up
or down to accommodate different height docks. I've had them for about 10
years, and I don't remember the brand name. But I've seen them at boating
supply stores.


Firstly be most careful of this lier he doesn't own a boat & never has,
indeed he didn't even know what a "fender" was a few years ago in this NG
till after one of his BS lies he called them bumpers:-) someone explained
it to him. 10 yrs indeed he's just full of it:-)

As for the question, cam cleats need a constant load on them to lock
properly, the constant tug & release that a fender is liable to give will
allow the line to escape more often than it's worth.

K

& your Krause lie of the day?? Well it's pretty recent, just imagine if
this idiot had actually been out on his own boat?? the endless details the
pictures, the DNA of the fish, naa your lying little union friend saved up
& went on a charter boat yet again, nothing more. I mean he even posted
pics when the driveway when the landlord finally gave in & had it graded
for him:-), what a sad sack of crap he is;


With high hopes that it wouldn’t rain and that at least some of the fresh
water runoff “polluting” the Bay had itself runoff, as it were, we headed
out of the Patuxent River yesterday in search of a few fish with whom to
play. Knowing the importance of an early start, we all actually got to
the boat by 9:30 AM. Gotta take this feeeeshing seriously.

I was accompanied on the hunt for fish by Dave, Roger, and Steve, who, in
order to follow the example of this newsgroup’s most prolific poster
about fishing (if not its most prolific fisherman), I renamed “Limp-Along
Dave,” “Mad Dog Roger,” and “StinkyShorts Steve. Hearty fellows all,
although Mad Dog seemed just a bit too interested the brands of beer
everyone else had brought.

Well, it didn’t take long. As we passed the Naval Air Station, turned
south, and came upon the remnants of the old lighthouse, we saw birds
swooping and quickly determined the water was filled with small blues,
maybe two to three pounds. We started casting half ounce spoons and one
ounce plugs at them, and caught and released oh maybe a dozen before they
decided to move on.

Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of
water, ...


Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?



The charter renters type the type BS'ting lying non boaters have:-)

Did you notice how he just can't "remember" the name of his cam
cleats??? Honestly a 5 yo wouldn't get away with this crap in the school
yard.

You mentioned your holidays the other day?? he does a google then posts
the same available online info but says he's been there!!!:-) He's gone
back to his old 90s tricks of constantly pretending he is a boater, till
of course the details are needed then it gets real dangerous for liars.

While I'm on the subject of lies Gould's latest spam piece?? yet again
he fudged the fuel economy by more than 20% above the best the diesel
engine industry can achieve in a lab!!!:-) Is Gould just a lying piece
of crap like Krause?? Naaa he's just desperate & dumb as dog dirt so
grabs any bone a paying seller throws his way. Poor bugger really failed
at everything else, now can't even crack it as a NG spammer. What's a
failed used car salesman, then failed boat broker then failed internet
spammer???? a Gould.

Honestly they're both just too much for a koala to bear


K

& your Krause lie of the day?? Well it's pretty recent, just imagine if
this idiot had actually been out on his own boat?? the endless details
the pictures, the DNA of the fish, naa your lying little union friend
saved up & went on a charter boat yet again, nothing more. I mean he
even posted pics when the driveway when the landlord finally gave in &
had it graded for him:-), what a sad sack of crap he is;

With high hopes that it wouldn’t rain and that at least some of the
fresh water runoff “polluting” the Bay had itself runoff, as it were, we
headed out of the Patuxent River yesterday in search of a few fish with
whom to play. Knowing the importance of an early start, we all actually
got to the boat by 9:30 AM. Gotta take this feeeeshing seriously.

I was accompanied on the hunt for fish by Dave, Roger, and Steve,
who, in order to follow the example of this newsgroup’s most prolific
poster about fishing (if not its most prolific fisherman), I renamed
“Limp-Along Dave,” “Mad Dog Roger,” and “StinkyShorts Steve. Hearty
fellows all, although Mad Dog seemed just a bit too interested the
brands of beer everyone else had brought.

Well, it didn’t take long. As we passed the Naval Air Station, turned
south, and came upon the remnants of the old lighthouse, we saw birds
swooping and quickly determined the water was filled with small blues,
maybe two to three pounds. We started casting half ounce spoons and one
ounce plugs at them, and caught and released oh maybe a dozen before
they decided to move on.

Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet
of water, so we decided to head out a ways and troll down towards the
mouth of the Mighty Po-to-Mac, dragging a few weighted plugs, artificial
worms, and the carcass of one of the blues who give up his fishy spirit
upon encountering StinkyShorts.

We caught a total of five stripers, and released four of them.
“Limp-Along” decided to take his home for dinner. The fish were between
33" and 43" inches long. Most of the boats we saw were catching a few fish.

After lunch, we headed up the Bay towards the Gas Docks, once a great
place to anchor or tie up, and start a chum or drip line. Alas, the
docks are being used again to offload liquified gas, and you can’t use
the facility as structure. But the fish that used to hang out there have
moved out to meet the fishermen, or so it seems some days, but not
yesterday for us.

Well, after futzing around for awhile, we headed up the Patuxent on
bikini patrol It wasn’t that warm out, so the sightings were few.

The day was winding down. We headed in, scrubbed out the boat, and
drove to one of our favorite Solomons waterfront joints for buckets of
steamers and beers.

Not a bad day on the water.

- - -

Bush: Enough to Make You Puke

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?

Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?

Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25

Later,

Tom

I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or
a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar,
however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot
pickup birds.

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?

Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25

I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or
a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar,
however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot
pickup birds.

Really?

Damn...

Later,

Tom

K. Smith wrote:
HarryKrause wrote:
*JimH* wrote:

"MVG" wrote in message
oups.com...

It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the
boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end
to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for
the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to
prevent the fender from going lower.

I have found two great products:

http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then
Sure Grip)

and

http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1

I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this
arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the
grip of the teeth.

Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this
application?

Mitch



Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat?



Because the cam cleat makes it easier to adjust the height of the fender
almost instantaneously.

I use a fender gripping device that allows me to slide the fender line
up or down to accommodate different height docks. I've had them for
about 10 years, and I don't remember the brand name. But I've seen them
at boating supply stores.


Firstly be most careful of this lier he doesn't own a boat & never has,
indeed he didn't even know what a "fender" was a few years ago in this
NG till after one of his BS lies he called them bumpers:-) someone
explained it to him. 10 yrs indeed he's just full of it:-)


Wow, using a LIE to try and defame Harry. How low can you go?

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?

Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25

I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths,
or
as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the
radar,
however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar
cannot
pickup birds.

Really?

Damn...

Later,

Tom

I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how
radar works. :-)

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?

Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25

I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths,
or
as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the
radar,
however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar
cannot
pickup birds.

Really?

Damn...

I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how
radar works. :-)

Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either -
I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that.

The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome
antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination
a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat
like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar
system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with
practice and operating experience.

On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4
Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds
working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me
because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices
- either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up
for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And
the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you,
so you end up chasing anyway. :)

Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars
with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars.
The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds -
they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the
moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find
it.

For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational
schmuck like me it's relative.

The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't
pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some
experience and the right setup, you can do it.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths.
Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry?

Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have?

On the Ranger:

http://tinyurl.com/czb2d

On the Contender:

http://tinyurl.com/42u25

I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water
depths,
or
as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the
radar,
however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar
cannot
pickup birds.

Really?

Damn...

I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how
radar works. :-)

Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either -
I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that.

The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome
antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination
a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat
like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar
system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with
practice and operating experience.

On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4
Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds
working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me
because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices
- either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up
for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And
the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you,
so you end up chasing anyway. :)

Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars
with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars.
The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds -
they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the
moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find
it.

For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational
schmuck like me it's relative.

The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't
pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some
experience and the right setup, you can do it.

Later,

Tom

Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds?

We had a Raytheon RL9 LCD radar (dome 2 kw radar) and a Raychart 601XX
chartplotter/GPS with a C-Map of the west and east Lake Erie regions on our
32 footer. I installed a Raymarine ST40 depth sounder and interlocked it
with the LCD display. My only use for radar was for storm watching, night
running and for the unlikely event I got caught up in heavy fog. I used the
chartplotter almost exclusively during daytime operation.. Very nice tool
when cruising as it not only showed speed, current position and current
depth but also marked depths (from the c-map) of the Lake areas I was
traveling..

BTW: No apology needed Tom. You have always been a straight shooter and a
stand up guy.

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:43:03 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't
pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some
experience and the right setup, you can do it.

Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds?

Well, in some cases, it does work rather well. Up here in New
England, there is a lot of clutter and with radomes and small open
array antennas, it is very marginal unless the bird is rising high
enough to catch. I first became interested in bird tracking with
radar when I worked for Texaco Oil in Louisiana. I became friendly
with a head boat charter operator out of Venus, LA (I fixed his radar
for him on the cuff) and he taught me a lot about how to discriminate
surface/rain/fog clutter and birds working a bait ball. I never
forgot the lessons.

We had a Raytheon RL9 LCD radar (dome 2 kw radar) and a Raychart 601XX
chartplotter/GPS with a C-Map of the west and east Lake Erie regions on our
32 footer. I installed a Raymarine ST40 depth sounder and interlocked it
with the LCD display. My only use for radar was for storm watching, night
running and for the unlikely event I got caught up in heavy fog. I used the
chartplotter almost exclusively during daytime operation.. Very nice tool
when cruising as it not only showed speed, current position and current
depth but also marked depths (from the c-map) of the Lake areas I was
traveling..

I'll tell you the truth - I use radar to keep from hitting idiots who
refuse to slow down in the fog or tug operators with long tows. Other
than that, it's running and I keep an eye on it, but I normally I use
my two eyes and the chart plotter. The fishing is usually places I
know will produce in most conditions.

BTW: No apology needed Tom. You have always been a straight shooter and a
stand up guy.

Well I thank you, but I felt bad about that.

Hey, water over the bridge.

Later,

Tom

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:02:39 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds?

To find baitfish, or whatever fish the birds are diving on. Under the
baitfish, there may well be something larger and more interesting.

In the old days, that could have been anything - experience, time and
weather gave you a good idea, but you really never knew. Now, at
least up here, you have to track water temps and where the Gulf
Stream is running to have a sound idea of what might be lurking. It's
a tad more complex than in the old days.

~~ snippage ~~

With open array radar right off the Florida coast, you could find birds
diving close to shore. That told you where the bait was, so you'd run
over to the area and castnet for shrimp or pogies or whatever, and fill
your live well.

Interesting you should mention that. Over in RI, there is a huge
debate raging among the members of the salt water anglers association
about one particular operator who is allowed to denude Narragansett
Bay of bunker. This year, there has been a direct correlation between
the decrease of herring stocks and the stripping of bunker from the
Bay and the number and size of stripers.

The one boat that is allowed to strip bunker is, curiously enough, a
provider of bait to bait shops up and down the coast. He's allowed to
strip Narragansett Bay for bait shops in New Jersey.

Back as recent as 2000, I used to go out, cast a net and have enough
fresh bait for the day - I'd give the excess to any lobsterman I
happened to see on the return trip.

Now? It's a joke.

Later,

Tom