"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a gallon
to your van every fillup.

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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a gallon
to your van every fillup.

That should do wonders for the fuel injectors.

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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the
mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be
adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline
and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct
oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the
Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on
the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it
do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a
gallon
to your van every fillup.

That should do wonders for the fuel injectors.

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of topoil.
Bill

I am still not sure what oil does "bad" for fuel injectors. I suppose the folks
with the EFI 2 strokes wonder too. 50:1 is really not much oil anyway.

(Greg) wrote in message ...
I am still not sure what oil does "bad" for fuel injectors. I suppose the folks
with the EFI 2 strokes wonder too. 50:1 is really not much oil anyway.

It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.

"Greg" wrote in message
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It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in
any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.



And on Lloyds, S10, they are big. It is throttle body injection. Just a
big 2 injector unit above the throttle plates.

(Greg) wrote in message ...
It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.

Guess again, my ass!!!! Go ask any manufacturer of fuel injectors if
they think it's prudent, and wise to run premix through there
injectors. Let me know what their technicians say.

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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the
mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be
adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline
and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct
oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the
Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on
the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it
do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a
gallon
to your van every fillup.

That should do wonders for the fuel injectors.

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of topoil.
Bill

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.

"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of
topoil.
Bill

"basskisser" wrote
sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.

This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob, but
....) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy