Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob, but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.

"Greg" wrote in message
...
It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in
any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.



And on Lloyds, S10, they are big. It is throttle body injection. Just a
big 2 injector unit above the throttle plates.

"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The #2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The #2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Anybody can afford a new vehicle. I simply prefer to keep my old ones
running in great shape, and keep my money. I don't need to drive a
phallic symbol.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The #2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"Greg" wrote in message
...
It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in
any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.



And on Lloyds, S10, they are big. It is throttle body injection. Just a
big 2 injector unit above the throttle plates.

Do this: Ask a representitive of GM if it is okay to do so. Let me
know what there technicians say.

(Greg) wrote in message ...
It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.

Guess again, my ass!!!! Go ask any manufacturer of fuel injectors if
they think it's prudent, and wise to run premix through there
injectors. Let me know what their technicians say.

"Griss" wrote in message ...
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of
topoil.
Bill

"basskisser" wrote
sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.

This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob, but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy

Shouldn't be a problem in a carb engine. Again, it PROBABLY wouldn't
hurt a FI engine, either, but it CAN.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Greg" wrote in message
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It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY
tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly
with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw
passage in
any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.



And on Lloyds, S10, they are big. It is throttle body injection. Just
a
big 2 injector unit above the throttle plates.

Do this: Ask a representitive of GM if it is okay to do so. Let me
know what there technicians say.