"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...

The Samurai made the CJ look like a sportscar
in regards to handling.

Test drove an early Geo Tracker once, same as the Samurai. First
adverse reaction was that the interior space would make the Jeep CJ or
a Honda 600 seem like a Winnebago in comparison. Next adverse reaction
was, in 5th gear, it was turning 3000 RPM at 55 MPH. Commented on this
and the salesman said, "yeah, it's got a lot of power." That pretty
much eliminated my hope of getting into a technical discussion with
him (that high an RPM at such a low highway speed means the
manufacturer acknowledges the engine is lacking in power at lower RPM,
and the transmission has been geared to compensate for it). Next came
the handling test: executing a moderate speed U-turn to return to the
dealership. That was the nail in the coffin. It had the approximate
handling I'd expect of a Rubik's Cube, and come to think of it, the
similarity in appearance was probably not uncoincidental.

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:33:11 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:




Years ago, I bought a Myers Manx dune buggy. Beautiful chrome rollbar.
Bolted to the fiberglass sides of the body with 5/16" bolts and a small
washer. Totally for looks. Did look good. I built a cage for the
buggy,
did not look as pretty, but did look more functional.
Bill


Man..... I hadn't thought of those in years! About 16.5" out of the
middle of a bug frame, a Fiberglas body and viola..... instant fun!

You put your finger on the overall problem. A roll bar/cage is no
stronger than the supporting member... whether sheet metal or
Fiberglas...

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Even more years ago, I race a 1964 Corvette coupe in SCCA B Production.
Took it to the Georgetown Hill climb. Race up a closed off public road near
where gold was discovered in California. I lost control on some pea gravel
and went off a steep hill. As I steered it as much as I could to miss trees
and building size boulders, I was very happy I had gone from the minimum
required roll bar to a full cage. Luckily I missed all the trees and
boulders and only had a broke trailing arm after being winched back up the
hill.
Bill

From my experience - Suzuki outboards SUCK in salt water. Worse than
anything else I've ever owned.


On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan wrote:

CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.

Peter
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Messing In Boats wrote:
While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.

It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.

Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
any product liability dealings with the firm.

Capt. jeff

"bc" wrote in message ...
: From my experience - Suzuki outboards SUCK in salt water. Worse than
: anything else I've ever owned.
:
:
By how much does the performance degrade as salinity increases? My
understanding was that the type of water only changed the maintenance
requirements.

Dave

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:44:21 -0800, bc wrote:

From my experience - Suzuki outboards SUCK in salt water. Worse than
anything else I've ever owned.

And what is your experience with Suzuki outboards in sal****er?

bb

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:39:43 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


CU said that the CJ could roll easier than a car. They are correct. All
the small jeeps rolled. Including my 43 Willy. Jeep lost a multimillion
dollar suit, locally (Oakland, Calif) a few years ago, when a guy and his
buddy rolled his CJ on a city street and the POS factory rollbar failed and
paralyzed the guy for life. The Samurai made the CJ look like a sportscar
in regards to handling.

If this happened to me, I'd be suing Jeep not because it rolled, but
because the rollbar failed. IMHO, no such thing as an "ornamental" rollbar
any more than an "ornamental" seatbelt or airbag.

Lloyd

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:39:43 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


CU said that the CJ could roll easier than a car. They are correct.
All
the small jeeps rolled. Including my 43 Willy. Jeep lost a
multimillion
dollar suit, locally (Oakland, Calif) a few years ago, when a guy and
his
buddy rolled his CJ on a city street and the POS factory rollbar failed
and
paralyzed the guy for life. The Samurai made the CJ look like a
sportscar
in regards to handling.

If this happened to me, I'd be suing Jeep not because it rolled, but
because the rollbar failed. IMHO, no such thing as an "ornamental" rollbar
any more than an "ornamental" seatbelt or airbag.

Lloyd


He sued Jeep, and got a couple of million to help care for him for the rest
of his life. Paralyzed, requires extra expenses.
Bill

And the conclusion is...

Suzuki outboards have nothing to do with Suzuki Samurai's.
The motors are certainly worth considering.

In the motorcycle world we had a saying.

"Friends don't let friends drive Suzuki's"

-W

"Sailing Fan" wrote in message
...
And the conclusion is...

Suzuki outboards have nothing to do with Suzuki Samurai's.
The motors are certainly worth considering.

What IS it with you guys and your clocks today??

-W

"Capt Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
ink.net...

Hi Gene,
we are running several suzi-q's and havn't had any trouble out of any of
them. (except for renters running aground and chewing up props or damage
to
the lower unit.) So far, ownership, and maintenance costs included they
are
out preforming the Mercs and Yammies. We plan to buy more as our 2 strokes
wear out.
--
Capt. Frank

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan wrote:

CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a
long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is
to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see
Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering
as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no
reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.

Peter

I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
than Suzuki.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide