While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.

It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.

Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
any product liability dealings with the firm.

Capt. jeff

Could you elaborate on the "scortched earth" policy you mentioned?
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"Messing In Boats" wrote in message
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While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.

It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.

Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
any product liability dealings with the firm.

Capt. jeff

Capt.,
Here's the link:
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...=1076887011603
Or go to Consumers Report home page and follow the link in regards to
Suzuki. http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...?bhfv=6&bhqs=1
Paul

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Could you elaborate on the "scortched earth" policy you mentioned?
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"Messing In Boats" wrote in message
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While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer
Reports.

It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.

Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the
purchase
of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
any product liability dealings with the firm.

Capt. jeff

CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.

Peter
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...sort=3&rows=50

Messing In Boats wrote:
While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.

It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.

Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
any product liability dealings with the firm.

Capt. jeff

Hi Gene,
we are running several suzi-q's and havn't had any trouble out of any of
them. (except for renters running aground and chewing up props or damage to
the lower unit.) So far, ownership, and maintenance costs included they are
out preforming the Mercs and Yammies. We plan to buy more as our 2 strokes
wear out.
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan wrote:

CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no
reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.

Peter

I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
than Suzuki.

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Homepage
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Pictures at My Marina
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Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

ooops, clcicked send too quick. I guess we are talking outboards and
oranges here!
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan wrote:

CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no
reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.

Peter

I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
than Suzuki.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan wrote:

CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.

Peter

I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
than Suzuki.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide





CU said that the CJ could roll easier than a car. They are correct. All
the small jeeps rolled. Including my 43 Willy. Jeep lost a multimillion
dollar suit, locally (Oakland, Calif) a few years ago, when a guy and his
buddy rolled his CJ on a city street and the POS factory rollbar failed and
paralyzed the guy for life. The Samurai made the CJ look like a sportscar
in regards to handling.

Bill,
I had a CJ5, those rollbars were pretty ornamental. I'd soon heard of
other CJ's that had rolled and the bars failed. It did teach me one thing,
to always wear a seatbelt.
Paul

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan wrote:

CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no
reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.

Peter

I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
than Suzuki.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time
Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide





CU said that the CJ could roll easier than a car. They are correct. All
the small jeeps rolled. Including my 43 Willy. Jeep lost a multimillion
dollar suit, locally (Oakland, Calif) a few years ago, when a guy and his
buddy rolled his CJ on a city street and the POS factory rollbar failed
and
paralyzed the guy for life. The Samurai made the CJ look like a sportscar
in regards to handling.

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:20:35 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:

Bill,
I had a CJ5, those rollbars were pretty ornamental. I'd soon heard of
other CJ's that had rolled and the bars failed. It did teach me one thing,
to always wear a seatbelt.
Paul

Excellent point. If the CJ5 rolls, and the roll bar fails, a seat
belt makes finding the crushed body easier. No need to waste a lot of
rescue personnel's time looking around for dead bodies.

bb

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:20:35 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:

Bill,
I had a CJ5, those rollbars were pretty ornamental. I'd soon heard of
other CJ's that had rolled and the bars failed. It did teach me one
thing,
to always wear a seatbelt.
Paul


Taught me to weld in a roll cage... nice place to hang a radio, too.

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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide





Years ago, I bought a Myers Manx dune buggy. Beautiful chrome rollbar.
Bolted to the fiberglass sides of the body with 5/16" bolts and a small
washer. Totally for looks. Did look good. I built a cage for the buggy,
did not look as pretty, but did look more functional.
Bill