Hello,

I am planning to buy a used boat. I am considering a used SeaRay BR185.
Wanting to getting some use boat buying tips. Any help is greatly
appreciated.

1. SeaRay website does not have old boat specification. Where can I get
SeaRay 2001 BR 185 specification?

2. What should I inspect when buy a used boat?

3. Is SeaRay a good reliable brand?

4. Any good or bad thing about 2001 BR185 boat?

Thanks
Thinh

SeaRay's site does have old specs. Go to the downloads section then click on
archives. I had a 2000 185BR. It had the 4.3 190hp. It had decent get up and
go and hit right around 50mph. Never had a problem with it, but found it got
small quick. Only had it a year before going to a 210BR. 2.5 feet longer and
1 foot wider made a big difference when the water got rough.

Good luck

Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

It's not a fiberglass boat....by any stretch of the imagination.



On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:07:16 -0500,
wrote:

Hello,

I am planning to buy a used boat. I am considering a used SeaRay BR185.
Wanting to getting some use boat buying tips. Any help is greatly
appreciated.

1. SeaRay website does not have old boat specification. Where can I get
SeaRay 2001 BR 185 specification?

2. What should I inspect when buy a used boat?

3. Is SeaRay a good reliable brand?

4. Any good or bad thing about 2001 BR185 boat?

Thanks
Thinh




Larry W4CSC

"No, NO, Mr Spock! I said beam me down a WRENCH,
not a WENCH! KIRK OUT!"

Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

I call "bogus" on at least one photo in this batch. If one is obviously
something other than what it is reported to be, how much
credibility do the other photos have?

My case: Look at the photo on the right hand side of the page where a hand with
a silver wris****ch is peeling the outer skin away. What do we see under the
skin? We see evidence of a *previous, botched, repair!* Notice how a big chunk
of the material underneath is a much brighter white and far more roughly
finished than the area around it? (Bad repair work could be why the outer
layers are delaminating). No reasonable person would conclude that both colors
of material were laid in at the same time, yet the article purports to be
exposing crappy OEM techniques, not botched repairs. Again I say, "bogus."

Get five surveyors to look at something, and at least one of them will
ordinarily disagree with the rest. Simply because a surveyor puts up a web
site, he's not suddenly infallible.

So, you are deflecting the picture truth with an attack on surveyors,
right? The Sea Ray truth still sticks out in these pictures, loud and
clear....It's a Brunswick piece of cheap crap.

On 31 Jul 2003 06:41:59 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

I call "bogus" on at least one photo in this batch. If one is obviously
something other than what it is reported to be, how much
credibility do the other photos have?

My case: Look at the photo on the right hand side of the page where a hand with
a silver wris****ch is peeling the outer skin away. What do we see under the
skin? We see evidence of a *previous, botched, repair!* Notice how a big chunk
of the material underneath is a much brighter white and far more roughly
finished than the area around it? (Bad repair work could be why the outer
layers are delaminating). No reasonable person would conclude that both colors
of material were laid in at the same time, yet the article purports to be
exposing crappy OEM techniques, not botched repairs. Again I say, "bogus."

Get five surveyors to look at something, and at least one of them will
ordinarily disagree with the rest. Simply because a surveyor puts up a web
site, he's not suddenly infallible.



Larry W4CSC

"No, NO, Mr Spock! I said beam me down a WRENCH,
not a WENCH! KIRK OUT!"

So, you are deflecting the picture truth with an attack on surveyors,
right?

????????????????????

Please read for content. I didn't "attack surveyors", I pointed out that a
photo submitted for evidence of poor construction techniques is actually a
photo showing a poorly executed repair. How is this an attack on surveyors? Do
you disagree that
the bright white material that joins abruptly to the grey material (with a
clearly visible and irregular margin) cannot be the same material? If so, say
so and state your reasoning. Don't accuse me of a general attack on
surveyors.....all I said was that not all surveyors will agree with Pascoe.


http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

I call "bogus" on at least one photo in this batch. If one is obviously
something other than what it is reported to be, how much
credibility do the other photos have?

My case: Look at the photo on the right hand side of the page where a hand
with
a silver wris****ch is peeling the outer skin away. What do we see under the
skin? We see evidence of a *previous, botched, repair!* Notice how a big
chunk
of the material underneath is a much brighter white and far more roughly
finished than the area around it? (Bad repair work could be why the outer
layers are delaminating). No reasonable person would conclude that both
colors
of material were laid in at the same time, yet the article purports to be
exposing crappy OEM techniques, not botched repairs. Again I say, "bogus."

Get five surveyors to look at something, and at least one of them will
ordinarily disagree with the rest. Simply because a surveyor puts up a web
site, he's not suddenly infallible.

Larry wrote:

Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

It's not a fiberglass boat....by any stretch of the imagination.

Shucks, you believe much of anything on Pascoe's website? He is a raving
nutcase, and he knows far far less about marine engineering than he thinks he
does.

It's true that a lot of boats are flimsy, but his ranting contains very little
useful & accurate info.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Shucks, you believe much of anything on Pascoe's website? He is a raving
nutcase, and he knows far far less about marine engineering than he thinks he
does.

It's true that a lot of boats are flimsy, but his ranting contains very
little
useful & accurate info.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug, that's not accurate. He may be a zealot for traditionalist boat
building, but I think it's reasonable to conclude that he has amassed a lot of
experience.

What's misleading in this thread is the cut and paste criticism of Sea Ray from
Pascoe's articles. Pascoe himself has written lengthy articles commending Sea
Ray for being one of the better production builders, while expressing
frustration that they still fall short in some areas. Hardly a sweeping
condemnation, as Larry would have you believe.


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