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Default Buying used tips: 2001 Sea Ray BR 185

Hello,

I am planning to buy a used boat. I am considering a used SeaRay BR185.
Wanting to getting some use boat buying tips. Any help is greatly
appreciated.

1. SeaRay website does not have old boat specification. Where can I get
SeaRay 2001 BR 185 specification?

2. What should I inspect when buy a used boat?

3. Is SeaRay a good reliable brand?

4. Any good or bad thing about 2001 BR185 boat?

Thanks
Thinh


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SeaRay's site does have old specs. Go to the downloads section then click on
archives. I had a 2000 185BR. It had the 4.3 190hp. It had decent get up and
go and hit right around 50mph. Never had a problem with it, but found it got
small quick. Only had it a year before going to a 210BR. 2.5 feet longer and
1 foot wider made a big difference when the water got rough.

Good luck
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Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

It's not a fiberglass boat....by any stretch of the imagination.



On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:07:16 -0500,
wrote:

Hello,

I am planning to buy a used boat. I am considering a used SeaRay BR185.
Wanting to getting some use boat buying tips. Any help is greatly
appreciated.

1. SeaRay website does not have old boat specification. Where can I get
SeaRay 2001 BR 185 specification?

2. What should I inspect when buy a used boat?

3. Is SeaRay a good reliable brand?

4. Any good or bad thing about 2001 BR185 boat?

Thanks
Thinh




Larry W4CSC

"No, NO, Mr Spock! I said beam me down a WRENCH,
not a WENCH! KIRK OUT!"

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Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm


I call "bogus" on at least one photo in this batch. If one is obviously
something other than what it is reported to be, how much
credibility do the other photos have?

My case: Look at the photo on the right hand side of the page where a hand with
a silver wris****ch is peeling the outer skin away. What do we see under the
skin? We see evidence of a *previous, botched, repair!* Notice how a big chunk
of the material underneath is a much brighter white and far more roughly
finished than the area around it? (Bad repair work could be why the outer
layers are delaminating). No reasonable person would conclude that both colors
of material were laid in at the same time, yet the article purports to be
exposing crappy OEM techniques, not botched repairs. Again I say, "bogus."

Get five surveyors to look at something, and at least one of them will
ordinarily disagree with the rest. Simply because a surveyor puts up a web
site, he's not suddenly infallible.

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So, you are deflecting the picture truth with an attack on surveyors,
right? The Sea Ray truth still sticks out in these pictures, loud and
clear....It's a Brunswick piece of cheap crap.

On 31 Jul 2003 06:41:59 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

I call "bogus" on at least one photo in this batch. If one is obviously
something other than what it is reported to be, how much
credibility do the other photos have?

My case: Look at the photo on the right hand side of the page where a hand with
a silver wris****ch is peeling the outer skin away. What do we see under the
skin? We see evidence of a *previous, botched, repair!* Notice how a big chunk
of the material underneath is a much brighter white and far more roughly
finished than the area around it? (Bad repair work could be why the outer
layers are delaminating). No reasonable person would conclude that both colors
of material were laid in at the same time, yet the article purports to be
exposing crappy OEM techniques, not botched repairs. Again I say, "bogus."

Get five surveyors to look at something, and at least one of them will
ordinarily disagree with the rest. Simply because a surveyor puts up a web
site, he's not suddenly infallible.



Larry W4CSC

"No, NO, Mr Spock! I said beam me down a WRENCH,
not a WENCH! KIRK OUT!"



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Default Buying used tips: 2001 Sea Ray BR 185

Larry wrote:

Here's what the INSIDE of the Sea Ray hull looks like. Read what the
surveyor thinks of this and what he found before you waste your
money.....

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

It's not a fiberglass boat....by any stretch of the imagination.


Shucks, you believe much of anything on Pascoe's website? He is a raving
nutcase, and he knows far far less about marine engineering than he thinks he
does.

It's true that a lot of boats are flimsy, but his ranting contains very little
useful & accurate info.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


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So, you are deflecting the picture truth with an attack on surveyors,
right?


????????????????????

Please read for content. I didn't "attack surveyors", I pointed out that a
photo submitted for evidence of poor construction techniques is actually a
photo showing a poorly executed repair. How is this an attack on surveyors? Do
you disagree that
the bright white material that joins abruptly to the grey material (with a
clearly visible and irregular margin) cannot be the same material? If so, say
so and state your reasoning. Don't accuse me of a general attack on
surveyors.....all I said was that not all surveyors will agree with Pascoe.


http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm


I call "bogus" on at least one photo in this batch. If one is obviously
something other than what it is reported to be, how much
credibility do the other photos have?

My case: Look at the photo on the right hand side of the page where a hand

with
a silver wris****ch is peeling the outer skin away. What do we see under the
skin? We see evidence of a *previous, botched, repair!* Notice how a big

chunk
of the material underneath is a much brighter white and far more roughly
finished than the area around it? (Bad repair work could be why the outer
layers are delaminating). No reasonable person would conclude that both

colors
of material were laid in at the same time, yet the article purports to be
exposing crappy OEM techniques, not botched repairs. Again I say, "bogus."

Get five surveyors to look at something, and at least one of them will
ordinarily disagree with the rest. Simply because a surveyor puts up a web
site, he's not suddenly infallible.


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Larry wrote:

So, how do you explain away the PICTURES?

Did Pascoe make this up to look bad?


No, but there are several issues with several of these pictures.

Several are exactly what Pascoe says they are.

More are not, and with good eyes & a bit of knowledge you can see where the photos
do not show what Pascoe says they do. Furthermore, to look at some examples of bad
construction and then claim (as Pascoe does, vehemently) that *all* composites &
sandwich construction are flimsy & short-lived is a ludicrous stretch.

Have you read the opening two paragraphs of his web page on buying a boat? IMHO
people who rant like that shoot their own credibility.

Unless he presents himself in person VERY differently than he does on his web site,
I'm kind of surprised he can stay in business as a surveyor.

DSK


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Shucks, you believe much of anything on Pascoe's website? He is a raving
nutcase, and he knows far far less about marine engineering than he thinks he
does.

It's true that a lot of boats are flimsy, but his ranting contains very
little
useful & accurate info.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Doug, that's not accurate. He may be a zealot for traditionalist boat
building, but I think it's reasonable to conclude that he has amassed a lot of
experience.

What's misleading in this thread is the cut and paste criticism of Sea Ray from
Pascoe's articles. Pascoe himself has written lengthy articles commending Sea
Ray for being one of the better production builders, while expressing
frustration that they still fall short in some areas. Hardly a sweeping
condemnation, as Larry would have you believe.


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Gould 0738 wrote:


What most people miss about Pascoe's site is that it isn't intended to be fully
factual. I'd have to check to see if it still reads this way, but for years the
introduction to his section on various boat brands contained a statement that
David thought it was his mission to be unrealistically harsh on boats. He felt
it important to offset what he believes are the often too-rosy write ups in the
mainstream marine press. Apparent philosophy: "Since 'Power and Stinkpot' said
this was a pretty good boat and I can find a few shortcomings, I better say
it's a real POS so people will investigate it more thoroughly."


I guess he sees the lowest common denominator, but he also seems to believe that
anybody buying a boat must be a moron... or maybe it's that he thinks anybody who
is buying a boat, and asks *his* opinion, must be a moron....

In one way, I can appreciate his pseudo logic because many people who are buying
boats just plain have no clue, and skimp on inspection (just like they skimp on
gear & training) based on the conviction that it really can't be that bad, can it?

Anyway, his anti-core rants are based on incomplete information. He obviously has
no experience with epoxy or S-glass or Kevlar or carbon fiber or vacuum-bagged
cored laminates. But then relatively few motorboats are made out of these
materials, and none of the mass-produced ones are. This, and his discussion of
various engine issues, shoot his credibility right into the ground IMHO.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


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