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rick says:
=============== Start at the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in Canada. ================= Everybody in Canada has heard about those clowns. Before citing them, you'd best find out who funds them. Once you've figured that out, you'll know which butts they're kissing. frtzw906 |
KMAN says:
============== The secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was the Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks about Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on handguns. Only worse! ROFL =============== Too right, KMAN! That, too, had me ROTFL. frtzw906 |
rick: clearly apologies don't work with you. Are you that angry and
that bitter? You've been on about jingoistic breast-beating etc, so I thought I'd come clean. There are problems with the Canadian healthcare system. There are escalating costs. There are localized shortages. There are areas of inefficiency. And, there is an on-going national dialogue about how to deal with these issues. Some, like the Fraser Institute you seem keen on citing, point to the American model as the one to emulate. Now I suspect Canadians might be persuaded to go this route if it looked like a better system. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case. On most major health metrics (infant mortality, life expectancy, etc etc), the USA does not show well. Then, on measures of cost, the USA does particularly poorly. From an efficiency perspective, the American system thus really sucks -- higher costs get you lower results. Please, rick, why would any sane person (nation) opt for the American system? Oh, yeah, of course, the answer is obvious: rather than wait a couple of days for my MRI, I can get one within the hour. Of course, that trumps everything else! Further, it appears your system can't reconcile prices with quantity (a fundamental for a free economy) -- high prices for doctors has not lead to increased quantity (and subsequent lower prices). This would seem to be a huge flaw that needs ironing out. Scott Weiser seems unable to exlain this. rick, perhaps you're up to the task. Eagerly anticipating your retort, frtzw906 |
Wilko says:
================= I think that he will happily ignore any facts that get in the way of his rambling... So far I haven't seen anything factual to support his statements, or anything to support any of the other propaganda-believing posters ================ Yes, I find it curious that there are never any responses to statistics which show the USA in a bad light. One would think there would be outrage. Outrage either because such statistics must be purposefully wrong or, outrage at a theoretically perfect system that can, in fact, be so bad. Nope. Nothing but silence. frtzw906 |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message ups.com... Wilko says: ================= I think that he will happily ignore any facts that get in the way of his rambling... So far I haven't seen anything factual to support his statements, or anything to support any of the other propaganda-believing posters ================ Yes, I find it curious that there are never any responses to statistics which show the USA in a bad light. One would think there would be outrage. Outrage either because such statistics must be purposefully wrong or, outrage at a theoretically perfect system that can, in fact, be so bad. ================ Selective projection again, eh? I've never made any claims about the US system being the best, or even good. Guess the problem is that your jingoistic chest thumping isn't any better than that of those you like to bash. Nope. Nothing but silence. ================= Yep, nothing but ignorance from you, as usual... frtzw906 |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... rick: clearly apologies don't work with you. Are you that angry and that bitter? ================== I never saw any from you that meant anything. The anger and bitterness is all yours it appears. It is you and kman that apparently cannot accept some criticism of anything not American. You've been on about jingoistic breast-beating etc, so I thought I'd come clean. There are problems with the Canadian healthcare system. There are escalating costs. There are localized shortages. There are areas of inefficiency. =============== Then why all the buffery about there being no such thing as long waits? Kman insists that there are not. I would think that your diatribes should be directed at him. But, since he spews the typical anti-US stuff you like to hear he gets a free pass on idiocy, eh? And, there is an on-going national dialogue about how to deal with these issues. Some, like the Fraser Institute you seem keen on citing, point to the American model as the one to emulate. ================= That's news to me. I never sawe any of their people claim that the US system is the madle to shoot for. Now I suspect Canadians might be persuaded to go this route if it looked like a better system. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case. On most major health metrics (infant mortality, life expectancy, etc etc), the USA does not show well. Then, on measures of cost, the USA does particularly poorly. From an efficiency perspective, the American system thus really sucks -- higher costs get you lower results. ===================== That's why so many Canadians are crossing the border for treatment, the high costs and inefficinsies? Please, rick, why would any sane person (nation) opt for the American system? Oh, yeah, of course, the answer is obvious: rather than wait a couple of days for my MRI, I can get one within the hour. Of course, that trumps everything else! =========================== Again, no where in any of my posts have I claimed the US system is best. Again, your chest thumping about being #30 doesn't quite have the ring of greatness kman and you are alluding to. Waiting 2 years for an mri may or may not have an impact on your overall health, but if it detects a problem soon enough it may have saved you. Further, it appears your system can't reconcile prices with quantity (a fundamental for a free economy) -- high prices for doctors has not lead to increased quantity (and subsequent lower prices). This would seem to be a huge flaw that needs ironing out. Scott Weiser seems unable to exlain this. rick, perhaps you're up to the task. ================== Why? I've never stated that that was an intention, nor claimed it was the system to emulate. The problem was that you and kman are pushing a system that you have failed to explain as being a system to emulate, even though you make statements that indicate you think it is. Eagerly anticipating your retort, frtzw906 |
"KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message ink.net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article t, rick at wrote on 2/20/05 10:48 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article t, rick at wrote on 2/20/05 5:17 PM: snippage... No one is waiting for treatment. It's about a specific type of scan in a specific geographic area and the waiting is for non-emergencies. ================== LOL Again, sure. I understand that when he turns into an 'emergency' case he will be right in the door. That you don't see a problem with that says alot about your blindly following what you are being told... Being told by whom? ================== Your ideological mouth pieces. Apparently you can't think for yourself... What ideological mouthpieces? ====================== The ones that tell you that the Canadian system has no waiting times, and is the best system. Who are they? When did they tell me this? ================ You tell me. Or, were you just making up the stuff you claimed about getting in for any test right away? Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater risk that being born to a African-American family in the US. Where does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the 'poor' in the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does? Where are you getting that information? ======================= Try getting it yourself. You're the one in canada.... As I suspected. More yakety yak by someone who has no idea. ========================== LOL Thanks for proving that you are ignorant of computer use. Your statement does not compute. ======================= Of course not, not to someone that apparently dosen't know how to use theirs, eh? Logic system failure. ==================== Yes, you have failed at alot of things here. As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that you have never backed up. This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim. ==================== Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the hints... No hinting necessary weasel. ================= Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when you started. You just weren't expecting to be called on your stupidity. tell me a 2 1/2 year wait if the boy does have cancer won't effect the outcome of his life, and that if the family HAS the money, they won't get one privately in Canada or the states. snip... Yes, rich people everywhere can find ways to get things that other people can't. Canada does not have a ban on rich people. ===================== Yet you try to pretend that your have a single health care system for all, and equal for all. I've said no such thing. But a poor person will receive a higher standard of care in Canada than most anywhere else on the planet. ====================== LOL Again, once they are an 'emergency', eh? No. I can leave my house right now and drive to the nearest medical clinic and get excellent care. They will not ask me how much money I make. ======================= Sure, but they will make you wait for the tests to determine what you mental illness is. That you are trying to deny that there are long wait lists for many treatments needed across Canada is your ideology speaking, not reality. The quality of care varies somewhat particulary (as one might expect) in sparsely populated regions. But the standard of care across the country is excellent. I should know, I use it, and so do my friends and relatives. FYI, I was born in Evanston, Illinois, and I know a fair bit about health care in both countries, with relatives that live in both. ======================== Wow, how nice. Do you figure that you are the only one with family and friends in both systems? No. Everyone prefers the Canadian system. That is not to say that no one has ever complained about how long they had to wait for an elective procedure, but between the two systems as a whole, it is no contenst. It has nothing to do with ideology. ========================= Then they must be as brainwashed as you, because many of the ones I know always come back to the US for care. And, in a couple of cases, to give care. How many? What are they coming for? Why? ======================= Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system? I've answered one reason right off the bat. No waits. In a couple of cases the treatments needed weren't life threatening, but very painful joint problems. They decided that their wait time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of treatment was medically unsound. As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks better than the US And yet, ranks better, by whatever standard you are using. ================ LOL Where have I ever claimed the US had no problems? You on the other hand are trying to defend the indefenseble. Not at all. So far you have pointed out that certain people looking for a very specific type of scan in a non-emergency situation in Newfoundland are having to wait a long time. This is a far cry from the statements about peopel dying in waiting lines that brought me into this goofy discussion. ========================== LOL That you have to fisate on one example says alot about your brainwashing. That you believe that that is the one and only case available to find is a hoot. It was your example. ================ Yes, one example of many. Why do you try to deny the months long wait lists acroos Canada? More chest thumping? and both are in the 30s, from the top of best care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does it? This means, logically, at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed opt to seek care elsewhere. ================ Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency' case. You have no clue. ===================== Yes, apparently more than you. There is no evidence of that. ==================== I've posted real data, from real sites. Perhaps so, but none to support your argument. ==================== LOL So, the sites I have posted have somehow said that there are no wait times in canada? Man, you do have comprhension problems, don't you? You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide more than just your say-so that there are no waiting lines for Canadian health-care. If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or emergency room someone is waiting, I have to agree. But no one is dying in a waiting line. ====================== An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources. And for many, the decision is not to wait until then, but to go elsewhere for treatment. I went to the doctor just last Monday. I called on Friday. Got an appointment Monday afternoon. Received excellent care. Got a prescription, had it filled that day. What's the problem? ====================== ummm, one example. Somehow I get the feeling that one exmple for youis adequate, but I have to show that every Canadian is waiting for specialized treatment. see your ideology is still in control, rather that rationality. You are basing your ridiculous views on an isolated situation in Newfoundland. That's like basing my view of US health care on some spot in Alaska. ===================== Isolated? What a hoot!!! Try some research fool. Start at the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in Canada. I know all about the Fraser Institute. LOL. Now perhaps I have at least a partial explanation of where you are getting these crazy ideas. The secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was the Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks about Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on handguns. Only worse! ROFL ==================== They are but one. But nice to see your ideology won't let truth get in your way. Keep trying fool, maybe someday you'll learn something other than your brainwashed opinion. Heehee. You are so silly. =============== Teehee, and you are still an ignorant buffoon. All it manages to do is promote a have vs have-not conflict. ? |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message ups.com... rick says: =============== Start at the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in Canada. ================= Everybody in Canada has heard about those clowns. Before citing them, you'd best find out who funds them. Once you've figured that out, you'll know which butts they're kissing. ==================== I see, anyone with information that desputes your ideology is bogus. Thanks for the idiot-light warning. frtzw906 |
Wilko, I hear "the" president is just down the road from you today.
This may be a good thing for him. (1) he's not at home while these tapes of him admitting drug use are all over the media. (2) he might want to try some of the cafes that are so popular in amsterdam. GRIN Anyway, say "hi" from all of us, will you? "W" said: ============= "The cocaine thing, let me tell you my strategy on that," Bush said on the tape. "Rather than saying no ... I think it's time for someone to draw the line and look people in the eye and say, you know, 'I'm not going to participate in ugly rumors about me and blame my opponent,' and hold the line. Stand up for a system that will not allow this kind of crap to go on." -- Whooa, what was he on when he said that?! "But you gotta understand, I want to be president, I want to lead. I want to set -- Do you want your little kid to say, 'Hey daddy, President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will?' " ====================== |
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