sorry, rick, your input is seemingly scrambled: i was able to decipher
one bit about "best system in the world", but then couldn't make out
what was, in your opinion, the best system.

i'm so p-o'ed. just when the debate gets good, and we're beyond name
calling and into a serious discussion of criteria of good healthcare
systems, my news client goes wonky. Please try once more. I'll work on
fixing things at my end.

Cheers,
frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
sorry, rick, your input is seemingly scrambled: i was able to
decipher
one bit about "best system in the world", but then couldn't
make out
what was, in your opinion, the best system.

i'm so p-o'ed. just when the debate gets good, and we're beyond
name
calling and into a serious discussion of criteria of good
healthcare
systems, my news client goes wonky. Please try once more. I'll
work on
fixing things at my end.
=================
Well, it seems you have a problem with deleting entire posts and
then replying to waht you want me to have said, what you think I
may have said, or what you want said. Is all the deleting
purposely dishonest, or just from ignorance on how to work your
computer. Your choice. It's quite clear that i was not talking
about any other system. Clear that is except to ideologs that
don't want to discuss the issue that was at hand, wait lists for
treatment. Since you have proven either dishonesty or ignorance,
have a nice life.



Cheers,
frtzw906

"KMAN" wrote in message
...

"rick" wrote in message
ink.net...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
t, rick at
wrote on 2/22/05 12:09 AM:


"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
rick, so really have nothing to offer.
===============\
LOL Unlike you and kman I have provided information. You
have
not. Guess we know now who is tap dancing around, eh?

You've provided a very limited amount of information, none of
which has
anything do with substantiating the allegation at hand.
========================
I have provided enough to show that people are on wait lists
that need treatment. That you are afraid of that data, and
have to shoot the messenger of that data say more about your
ideology than antything else you say.

Please provide a link to the message in which you posted a
Canadian reference (or any reference) that proves Canadians
have died in wait lines for health care, and I will make a
formal and public apology.
==========================
You've yet to read what I have posted. Until you can learn to
use your computer, you can just continue to prove your willful
ignorance and ideology.





I allege that you are in fact a turd, Rick Etter. Please
provide proof from
one of your unions, universities, or media sources that shows
I am wrong.
========================
Try reading them for yourself.

Amazingly enough, not one of them actually documents your
status as a turd.
====================
They do tell us how badly you are lying though, imagine that.

"rick" wrote in message
nk.net...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...

"rick" wrote in message
ink.net...

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article t, rick at
wrote on 2/22/05 12:09 AM:


"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
rick, so really have nothing to offer.
===============\
LOL Unlike you and kman I have provided information. You have
not. Guess we know now who is tap dancing around, eh?

You've provided a very limited amount of information, none of which has
anything do with substantiating the allegation at hand.
========================
I have provided enough to show that people are on wait lists that need
treatment. That you are afraid of that data, and have to shoot the
messenger of that data say more about your ideology than antything else
you say.

Please provide a link to the message in which you posted a Canadian
reference (or any reference) that proves Canadians have died in wait
lines for health care, and I will make a formal and public apology.
==========================
You've yet to read what I have posted. Until you can learn to use your
computer, you can just continue to prove your willful ignorance and
ideology.

Please provide a link to the message in which you posted a Canadian
reference (or any reference) that proves Canadians have died in wait lines
for health care, and I will make a formal and public apology.

Alternatively, you may wish to admit that you have never posted such a
reference, and that you are unable to do so, because none exists.

I allege that you are in fact a turd, Rick Etter. Please provide proof
from
one of your unions, universities, or media sources that shows I am
wrong.
========================
Try reading them for yourself.

Amazingly enough, not one of them actually documents your status as a
turd.
====================
They do tell us how badly you are lying though, imagine that.

Thank you for not making any effort to disprove that you are in fact a turd.

BCITORGB wrote:
But Wolfgang, that applies to most of the nations in North Europe....
WOW! Eureka! I think you've got it!

LOL. Thanks for the humor.

frtzw906

I just got back into town, from a weekend of waiting in lift lines
(Actually not to bad for holiday weekend.)

Now catching up on the news here, I think I am going to die waiting in
line, for rick and KMAN to figure out what line we are waiting in. So
where do I get this refreshing elixir of life at? TnT

TnT says:
================
I just got back into town, from a weekend of waiting in lift lines
================

How come? Was it some kind of socialized ski hill? As to the elixir:
only Wolfgang seems to know.

Hope you had a good time.

frtzw906

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

BCITORGB wrote:
But Wolfgang, that applies to most of the nations in North Europe....
WOW! Eureka! I think you've got it!

LOL. Thanks for the humor.

frtzw906

I just got back into town, from a weekend of waiting in lift lines
(Actually not to bad for holiday weekend.)

Now catching up on the news here, I think I am going to die waiting in
line, for rick and KMAN to figure out what line we are waiting in. So
where do I get this refreshing elixir of life at? TnT

Go to Newfoundland. It is called "screech." However, if you drink the
screech in a remote area of Newfoundland and get sick as a result and would
like a very specific type of scan but you are not in an emergency situation
you may have to wait to get the scan.

Interestingly enough, it was named "screech" because an American was unable
to handle it, and he "screeched" so loud that people came running from all
around to see what had happened.

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
TnT says:
================
I just got back into town, from a weekend of waiting in lift lines
================

How come? Was it some kind of socialized ski hill? As to the elixir:
only Wolfgang seems to know.

I don't mind sharing:

Helsinki, Reykjavik, Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Amsterdam, Nice, Moscow,
Beijing, Ulan Bator, Kiev, Sofia, Istanbul, Hanoi, Rome, Athens, Auckland,
Perth, Wellington, Papeete, Baku, Shanghai, East Point, West Point, Stevens
Point, the Pont Neuf, Dublin, Cabo Mondego, Algiers, Belgrade, Malabo,
Kidal, Nakuru, Brazzaville, Kinshasa, Neuquen, Oranjestad, Erechim,
Santiago, St. Johns, Fort Lauderdale, Sao Paolo, Brownsville, Guaymas,
Little Rock, Anchorage, most populated areas in Cameroon, Cairo, Cairo,
Champaign, Champlain, Shandan, Shandon, Shandong, Shannon, Shap, Shapa,
Shar, Sihui, Pittsburgh, Pittsfield, Pium, Port Hardy, Port Arthur,
Portugal, Oak Park, Greenfield, Greendale, Glendale, Buffalo Grove, Ogden,
Long Grove, Raleigh, Mount Pilot, Wayne's house, Wayno's house, Wayne's
house, Kennie's house (just Bud.....sorry), Ray's Liquors at 89th and North,
Harvard, Duke, Oxford, Choate, Smith, Cambridge, Cambridge, Salem, Salem,
Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem, Salem,
Salem, Salem, Burlington, Burlington, Burlington, Burlington, Burlington,
Burlington, Flores, Salem, Salem, Budapest, Indianapolis, Kalamazoo, Joel's
house (martinis), Salem, Plymouth, Plymouth, Plymouth, Vermouth, Laiwu,
Jerusalem, Brussels, Lac du Flambeau, Fond du Lac, Fond du Lac, Lac Court d'
Orielles, La Crosse, La Cinega, Los Angeles, Los Vegas, Los Alamos, Cabo San
Lucas, Madrid, New Madrid, New Berlin, New Rochelle, New Mexico, New South
Wales, New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Glarus, New Glarus,
Portland, Portland, Salem, McMurdo, McGill, Kalpa, Becky's wine rack over in
the northeast corner of the dining room, Gurais, Bruce Crossing, Ironwood,
Iron River, Iron Mountain, Ewen, Gay, Eagle River, Eagle River, Copper
Harbor, L'Anse, Matchwood, Marinesco, Menominee, Marquette, Houghton,
Hancock, Foynes, Charleston, Charlestown, Juneau, Juneau,......um.....did I
say Charlotte?, London, London, New London, Dauphin Island, Rock Island,
Rock Island, Long Island, Washington Island, Belfast, Edinburgh, Swansea,
Valparaiso, Valparaiso, Sedona, Santa Fe, Santa Rosita, Santa Monica, Santa
Cruz, Veracruz, Tulsa, Tuskeegee, Churchill, Chapel Hill, Jones Island,
Frontera, Fresno, Freeport, Freeport Freeport, Freeport, San Juan, San Juan,
San Juan, San Juan, Salem, Gallatin, Galveston, Baton Rouge, Martha's
Vineyard, Binghamton, Platte, Pierre, South Platte, Fargo, Farmington,
Black, Ironton, Leadville, Salem, Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Jefferson
City, Madison, Kerrville, Moratuwa, Novo Mesto, Kirovsk, Kirovskiy, Hexi,
Albuquerque, El Reno, Ilchester, Olympia, Ulugan bay, Ylistaro, Wakeland,
Santa Catarina, Sandia, Opua,.......um.......um.....oh yeah, and Merauke.

Wolfgang

All sounds good, but I think I'll pass on Kennie's place. Bud? That's
the best he can do?

frtzw906

KMAN, you might be interested in the following:

http://www.scp.nl/publicaties/boeken...formance_3.PDF

pages 120-180... a detailed, intelligent, analysis/discussion of
healthcare systems.

One excerpt of note:
"The optimum outcome of this trade-off for non-urgent curative care
will be a
waiting time somewhere between zero and a few months. Research has
shown that
short waiting times for this type of care cause very little
deterioration in health,
while the costs of care increase sharply if such treatments have to be
performed
without waiting time. Furthermore, it appears that patients do not
strongly object
to waiting a short time for non-urgent treatment (scp 2003: 123).
However, waiting
times are still regarded as unpleasant and spark public debate."

Anyway, KMAN, thought this might be of interest.

frtzw906