"JimH" wrote in message
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"Marley" wrote in message
A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or
is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

You have a problem with that? Why?

Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba. Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim

Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.


Jim Carter wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Marley" wrote in message

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters

of

the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or

is

susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".


You have a problem with that? Why?


Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba. Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim

"Jr Gilbreath" wrote in message
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Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.

Well, I wish I could, but, unfortunately I can't because of the fuel
situation. I have a power boat not a sail boat. I need to cruise through
US waters to get there from Canada.

Jim

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Jr Gilbreath" wrote in message
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Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.

Well, I wish I could, but, unfortunately I can't because of the fuel
situation. I have a power boat not a sail boat.



You have alternatives. If you choose not to accept them then stop whining
about our laws and regulations.

And he is out of the territorial waters of the US when he is going to Cuba.
I have a problem with the wording, just as I have a problem with the
confiscation of cars and property because the "MAN" says it was used in the
drug trade. Where is the due process? Innocent until proven guilty? They
confiscate and you have to sue to get it back. They do not even have to
file charges. Is a great money making endeavor for cities and counties.
They sent mob bosses to prison for the same stuff.


"Jr Gilbreath" wrote in message
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Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.


Jim Carter wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Marley" wrote in message

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26,
2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters

of

the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or

is

susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".


You have a problem with that? Why?


Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any
vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but
it is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to
travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba.
Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to
Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Marley" wrote in message
A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26,
2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or
is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

You have a problem with that? Why?

Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it
is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to
travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba.
Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to
Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim



Because they may not know your intentions.

When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our laws
and regulations?

Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal control
of the US.

"JimH" wrote in message
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Because they may not know your intentions.
When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our
laws
and regulations?
Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal
control
of the US.
Jim, the US government would know my intentions because I file a float plan
with the US Coast Guard and I tell them who I am and where I am going.
Yes, I agree that you have a right to protect your waters, but, coming from
Canada I would be boating through about a thousand miles of your waters
before I would leave to go to Cuba. They do not stop me when I leave
Canada and enter the US at Buffalo, on my way south. I clear US Customs and
Immigration at this Port. They do not stop me at any of the ports on my
way down the intracoastal waterways to Key West.

Please explain to me why you think I should not do this.

Thanks,
Jim

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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Because they may not know your intentions.
When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our
laws
and regulations?
Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal
control
of the US.
Jim, the US government would know my intentions because I file a float
plan
with the US Coast Guard and I tell them who I am and where I am going.
Yes, I agree that you have a right to protect your waters, but, coming
from
Canada I would be boating through about a thousand miles of your waters
before I would leave to go to Cuba. They do not stop me when I leave
Canada and enter the US at Buffalo, on my way south. I clear US Customs
and
Immigration at this Port. They do not stop me at any of the ports on my
way down the intracoastal waterways to Key West.

Please explain to me why you think I should not do this.

Thanks,
Jim



I am sure many illegal passages from the US to Canada have float plans filed
with the USCG showing nothing but good intentions.

It is our law. If you don't like it then stay out of US waters. Otherwise
accept the possible consequences.

BTW: When was the last time a Canadian vessel was overtaken and seized by
the US when traveling to Cuba?

This law has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting our waters. It is a
blockade to keep people from this country or any other country from
traveling to the country of their choice. Sounds like the Berlin Wall
doesn't it.

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Marley" wrote in message
A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26,
2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial
waters
of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or
is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

You have a problem with that? Why?

Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it
is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to
travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba.
Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to
Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim



Because they may not know your intentions.

When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our
laws
and regulations?

Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal
control
of the US.

Because it subverts my rights under the law, to be assumed innocent until
found otherwise. You whiz bang lawyer, you.
Even then, what is possibly accomplished by keeping the ban on visiting Cuba?
We may need pointers on how to live on zero income some day soon if 'ol dubyah'
stays the course, and they might be a good resource!

Larry D.


JimH wrote:

"Marley" wrote in message
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Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".


You have a problem with that? Why?