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Marley January 28th 05 08:25 PM

The thought police are coming forCRUISERS!
 
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.

Calif Bill January 28th 05 08:49 PM


"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial

waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.


Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.



MMC January 28th 05 10:39 PM

Enforcing drugs and prostitution? Sounds like Amsterdam!
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial

waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.


Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.





JimH January 28th 05 11:13 PM


"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".



You have a problem with that? Why?



Paul Schilter January 28th 05 11:18 PM

MMC,
Copy and pasted from the site:

"Sec. 4. The Secretary may seek assistance from State and local
authorities in carrying out the purposes of this proclamation. Because
State and local assistance may be essential for an effective response to
this emergency, I urge all State and local officials to cooperate with
Federal authorities and to take all actions within their lawful
authority necessary to prevent the unauthorized departure of vessels
intending to enter Cuban territorial waters."

I would imagine they would have to prove "intent". If you were cruising
the coast of southern Florida it probably wouldn't be a problem. If you
were headed directly for Cuba and were getting close to their waters
that might be a different situation.
Paul


MMC wrote:
Enforcing drugs and prostitution? Sounds like Amsterdam!
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"Marley" wrote in message
om...

Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial


waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.


Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.






Don White January 28th 05 11:21 PM


"Marley" wrote in message
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Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

snip

The Land of the Free indeed!
They would have to pry my tiller from my cold dead fingers.



JimH January 28th 05 11:25 PM


"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

snip

The Land of the Free indeed!
They would have to pry my tiller from my cold dead fingers.



If you were piloting a boat in time of war in the US.....and your boat was
needed to thwart an attack.... and you resisted....you may very well be
dead.



Jr Gilbreath January 28th 05 11:45 PM


The same people that are screaming about this, and that it is Welcome to
1984 folks" had no problem when Billy and Hilly were using the FBI files
to spy on private citizens. Plus they don't know the difference between
loose and lose.

Marley wrote:
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.


Jim Carter January 29th 05 12:13 AM


"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Marley" wrote in message
A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters

of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or

is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".


You have a problem with that? Why?


Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba. Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim



Jr Gilbreath January 29th 05 12:22 AM

Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.


Jim Carter wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Marley" wrote in message

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters


of

the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or


is

susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".



You have a problem with that? Why?



Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba. Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim




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