"Jr Gilbreath" wrote in message
...
Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.

Well, I wish I could, but, unfortunately I can't because of the fuel
situation. I have a power boat not a sail boat. I need to cruise through
US waters to get there from Canada.

Jim

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Marley" wrote in message
A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26,
2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or
is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

You have a problem with that? Why?

Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it
is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to
travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba.
Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to
Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim



Because they may not know your intentions.

When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our laws
and regulations?

Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal control
of the US.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Jr Gilbreath" wrote in message
...
Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.

Well, I wish I could, but, unfortunately I can't because of the fuel
situation. I have a power boat not a sail boat.



You have alternatives. If you choose not to accept them then stop whining
about our laws and regulations.

"JimH" wrote in message
...
Because they may not know your intentions.
When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our
laws
and regulations?
Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal
control
of the US.
Jim, the US government would know my intentions because I file a float plan
with the US Coast Guard and I tell them who I am and where I am going.
Yes, I agree that you have a right to protect your waters, but, coming from
Canada I would be boating through about a thousand miles of your waters
before I would leave to go to Cuba. They do not stop me when I leave
Canada and enter the US at Buffalo, on my way south. I clear US Customs and
Immigration at this Port. They do not stop me at any of the ports on my
way down the intracoastal waterways to Key West.

Please explain to me why you think I should not do this.

Thanks,
Jim

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Jr Gilbreath" wrote in message
...
Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters
of
the united States.

Well, I wish I could, but, unfortunately I can't because of the fuel
situation. I have a power boat not a sail boat.



You have alternatives. If you choose not to accept them then stop whining
about our laws and regulations.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"JimH" wrote in message
...
Because they may not know your intentions.
When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our
laws
and regulations?
Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal
control
of the US.
Jim, the US government would know my intentions because I file a float
plan
with the US Coast Guard and I tell them who I am and where I am going.
Yes, I agree that you have a right to protect your waters, but, coming
from
Canada I would be boating through about a thousand miles of your waters
before I would leave to go to Cuba. They do not stop me when I leave
Canada and enter the US at Buffalo, on my way south. I clear US Customs
and
Immigration at this Port. They do not stop me at any of the ports on my
way down the intracoastal waterways to Key West.

Please explain to me why you think I should not do this.

Thanks,
Jim



I am sure many illegal passages from the US to Canada have float plans filed
with the USCG showing nothing but good intentions.

It is our law. If you don't like it then stay out of US waters. Otherwise
accept the possible consequences.

BTW: When was the last time a Canadian vessel was overtaken and seized by
the US when traveling to Cuba?

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"JimH" wrote in message
...
Because they may not know your intentions.
When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated
by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our
laws
and regulations?
Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal
control
of the US.
Jim, the US government would know my intentions because I file a float
plan
with the US Coast Guard and I tell them who I am and where I am going.
Yes, I agree that you have a right to protect your waters, but, coming
from
Canada I would be boating through about a thousand miles of your waters
before I would leave to go to Cuba. They do not stop me when I leave
Canada and enter the US at Buffalo, on my way south. I clear US Customs
and
Immigration at this Port. They do not stop me at any of the ports on my
way down the intracoastal waterways to Key West.

Please explain to me why you think I should not do this.

Thanks,
Jim



I am sure many illegal passages from the US to Cuba have float plans filed
with the USCG showing nothing but good intentions.

It is our law. If you don't like it then stay out of US waters.
Otherwise accept the possible consequences.

BTW: When was the last time a Canadian vessel was overtaken and seized by
the US when traveling to Cuba?


Make that US to Cuba...not Canada. Sorry.

And he is out of the territorial waters of the US when he is going to Cuba.
I have a problem with the wording, just as I have a problem with the
confiscation of cars and property because the "MAN" says it was used in the
drug trade. Where is the due process? Innocent until proven guilty? They
confiscate and you have to sue to get it back. They do not even have to
file charges. Is a great money making endeavor for cities and counties.
They sent mob bosses to prison for the same stuff.


"Jr Gilbreath" wrote in message
...
Jim, You can get to cuba without getting into the territorial waters of
the united States.


Jim Carter wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Marley" wrote in message

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26,
2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters

of

the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used, or

is

susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".


You have a problem with that? Why?


Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any
vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but
it is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to
travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba.
Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to
Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim

Paul Schilter wrote:



I would imagine they would have to prove "intent". If you were
cruising the coast of southern Florida it probably wouldn't be a
problem. If you were headed directly for Cuba and were getting close to
their waters that might be a different situation.
Paul



Paul

You can IMAGINE that the government would have to prove "intent" if you
want to...if it helps you in your denial have fun.

But the word INTENT is NOT mentioned in the LEGAL disertation posted.

If and when you are accused of "thinking of going to Cuba" you are
welcome to tell the gestapo that they should prove intent if you want
to..but clearly there is no requirement in the law as it is written.

That should frighten every single person reading it.

Marley wrote:
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.



There's nothing at all wrong with this indeed it's exactly "why" the
people of the US re elected W with such a huge majority!!!

Just so you know; here downunder we've gone even further, "any" vessel
"intending" to enter our territorial waters (commercial 200 miles non
commercial 12miles) "must" give our national marine centre prior notice
of their intentions "before" they get within 1000 miles of the coast.

Needless to say some of the near (less than 1000 miles) neighbours got
a bit ****ed but so what??? there's no offense committed, so long as the
vessel notifies the marine centre who they are & what they're doing
before they set out for the coast.

Needless to say any boat turning up "unannounced" will be intercepted &
dealt with.

You really should grow up a bit, this genuinely is a winner takes all
war, the reason you don't fully understand is that your admin has
successfully protected you from further attacks since 911.

Instead of being critical you should be on your sad socialist knees
thanking them for the continued safety of you & your family.

K

The Krause lie of the day???

The liar Krause works for Ullico the union Co that tries to take
money from honest hard working unionists then direct it to "union"
decided projects, so this lie is him admitting how a union organisation
was actually funding a political campaign, illegal?? you ask, yeah me
too but hey we know how much he hates Bush. Ullico has a history in this
also as you'll see in subsequent Krause lies.


I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business

booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state
of the
economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap candidates.


Is this just another Krause lie??? well probably like all the
others:-) but imagine if it's actually true???? Knowing that he has no
"business" of his own just as he has no boat of his own, but he works
for Ullico which is supposed to be a not for profit looking out for
genuine unionists?????



We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?


Clearly if there is any truth to this then it's the pay & conditions
Krause gets from his employer Ullico & probably socialists being
socialists they pay all the employees the same!!! So here we have hard
working unionists being levied by their unions, who give the money to
the likes of Ullico who then pay their uneducated lying staff such as
Krause as per his own claims in his own words above, this is sad in the
extreme.

If you are in a union better start asking questions big time it's
your retirement they're ****ing against the wall, by paying themselves;

Even some in the NG found this lie over the top & said so;


Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every
year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.



Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.


Even after that!!! not our lying Krause he just continues with the
previous line that his employer is putting big bucks into a political
campaign, how so??? they're a not for profit with tax concessions to
boot!!! it's illegal!!! send in the Feds!!! simple as that & remember
all you unionists it's "your" money they're
spending without your knowledge much less permission on "their"
political campaign!!!

So lying Krause continues & adds even more insight into what
happens to "your" money when it goes to the unions:-);

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.
The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.
Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.
The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.



In this case I suggest Krause just admits it's another of his lies
before any of his little socialist mates get nailed????