Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of
the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find
out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar
with that term either.

He (Johnathon Watson for those of you who know of him) has passed away since
doing the survey.

Thanks

Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of
the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find
out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar
with that term either.


That's a term commonly used in the UK.
In fact, if your boat is propelled by a "petrol" engine, you're apparetnly
required (in the UK) to have a gauze around the fill and vent lines.

I think this is a sort of flame retarding material, something like (but surely
not) asbestos.

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7.1.2 A vessel should be provided with a fuel tank of sufficient capacity for
the main engines, and its area of operation. All fuel tanks vents should be
fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried to at or
above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from
escaping fuel or vapour.

**********

From:

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-gu...-guidance___re
gulations-inland/dqs_iw_code/dqs_machinery_petrol_code.htm

sel1 wrote:
Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of
the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find
out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar
with that term either.

He (Johnathon Watson for those of you who know of him) has passed away since
doing the survey.

Thanks



The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the
gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting
gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new fuel
vent outlet.

K

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the
gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting
gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new fuel
vent outlet.

K

There are at least four major English dialects, British, American,
Canadian,
and Australian. Fuel gauze mey be a term that is used in Aus. as well as
in
Brit.

I have a hard time reconciling your description with the language from the
UK
regulations. What am I missing?


" All fuel tanks vents should be
fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried to
at or
above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from
escaping fuel or vapour."



"Carried to" seems to imply a material running some distance, rather than
a bit
of screen stuffed in the fill tube.

Is Aussie speak close enough to Brit speak that you understand the precise
meaning of the regulation?

Thanks in advance.

Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be
wrong....never.

JimH wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the
gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting
gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new fuel
vent outlet.

K

There are at least four major English dialects, British, American,
Canadian,
and Australian. Fuel gauze mey be a term that is used in Aus. as well as
in
Brit.

I have a hard time reconciling your description with the language from the
UK
regulations. What am I missing?


" All fuel tanks vents should be
fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried to
at or
above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from
escaping fuel or vapour."



"Carried to" seems to imply a material running some distance, rather than
a bit
of screen stuffed in the fill tube.

Is Aussie speak close enough to Brit speak that you understand the precise
meaning of the regulation?

Thanks in advance.


Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be
wrong....never.



But this is a real worry, is it possible he's so ignorant of boat
matters that he doesn't realise??? Honestly no wonder he's the OT queen.

ALL "installed" petrol tanks have a vent which "must" vent to outside
the boat?? (this is all in the USL code) The vent must be fitted with a
flame proof gauze (usually stainless but other non flammable material is
OK)

I think you'll have a hard time even buying a fuel tank vent that isn't
fitted with a flame proof gauze.

Here they're cheap enough, here's a link;

http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_it...AbsolutePage=1

& that's A$ NB A$12.95

Have a look Chuck it's that little (usually chrome) about 1" diam
thingo you see up high on the hull near where ever the tank is mounted.

The link you posted is correct, you just don't know how to read it.

K

K. Smith wrote:
JimH wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the
gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting
gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new
fuel
vent outlet.

K


There are at least four major English dialects, British, American,
Canadian,
and Australian. Fuel gauze mey be a term that is used in Aus. as well
as in
Brit.

I have a hard time reconciling your description with the language
from the UK
regulations. What am I missing?


" All fuel tanks vents should be
fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried
to at or
above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from
escaping fuel or vapour."



"Carried to" seems to imply a material running some distance, rather
than a bit
of screen stuffed in the fill tube.

Is Aussie speak close enough to Brit speak that you understand the
precise
meaning of the regulation?

Thanks in advance.



Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be
wrong....never.


But this is a real worry, is it possible he's so ignorant of boat
matters that he doesn't realise??? Honestly no wonder he's the OT queen.

ALL "installed" petrol tanks have a vent which "must" vent to
outside the boat?? (this is all in the USL code) The vent must be fitted
with a flame proof gauze (usually stainless but other non flammable
material is OK)

I think you'll have a hard time even buying a fuel tank vent that
isn't fitted with a flame proof gauze.

Here they're cheap enough, here's a link;

http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_it...AbsolutePage=1


& that's A$ NB A$12.95

Have a look Chuck it's that little (usually chrome) about 1" diam
thingo you see up high on the hull near where ever the tank is mounted.

The link you posted is correct, you just don't know how to read it.

K



OOps sorry here's a link with a pic, you can see the gauze:-) from the
same place:

http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_it...AbsolutePage=3


K

The common term for that item in the US is a vent screen.

To the original poster: if you can ignore the
pleasant personal remarks from K Smith and "Me Too", you need to replace the
screens in your fuel tank vent lines.

Gould 0738 wrote:
Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be
wrong....never.




Fornicate thee.

Do you see a similarity between the description in the UK regs regarding fuel
gauze and a bit of material stuffed into a fill pipe? If so, good for you. I
didn't so I asked for some additional information. I learn something new every
day.

Of course, it doesn't matter to a guy who doesn't even own a boat and only
hangs around here to stir crap. Nice hobby you got there. That has to be the
10th time you have fantasized about my underwear.
Posting unprovoked personal comments might not be your only hobby.



Chuck you are the most abusive person here!!! Anyone who doesn't kowtow
to you &/or your non boating lying mate Krause is attacked.

Honestly Chuck I know you come from the "sell, sell, sell" side of life
but you should know about basic safety stuff. Even for your own good:-)

You still don't seem to be able to read the UK reg. ???? which is the
same outcome as all the others, just framed differently. It's not the
"fill" pipe, that pipe usually has a proper sealing closure on it (the
lid??), it's the tank's small vent line, the one that lets air in to
replace consumed fuel; but much much more importantly for the safety of
the tank & boat, it lets air AND fuel vapours out as the tank heats up etc.

On a hot day there is some flow of fuel vapour out the vent; it needs a
flame gauze so if there is an ignition source around; say that lying
idiot Krause smoking?? on the wharf of course because he's never
actually been boating:-)

K

Also Sprach K. Smith :

I think you'll have a hard time even buying a fuel tank vent that isn't
fitted with a flame proof gauze.

Actually, I did buy one here in the US. It was crap, I returned it.

For those of you wondering how this works, the mesh screen acts as a
quenching device preventing a flame in the fuel vapor outside the vent
from passing inside the vent. The type of flamable vapor determines the
size of mesh (or orifice) reqired. It's been a while, but seem to recall
that the quenching distance for gasoline vapor in air is somewhere around
2mm. I've seen several vents with large gauge mesh which I suspect would
not prevent flame spread.

BTW Chuck, I do think that Karen is correct on this one. We use what you
describe all the time in aircraft engine installations, it's called
firesleeve.

http://www.sacskyranch.com/h_fire.htm


--
Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful
objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without
skill gives us modern art.
-- Tom Stoppard

Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of
the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find
out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar
with that term either.

Another name for this is "Flame Screen". It normally consist of "screen"
material (stainless, brass, steel) with a requirement of 30x30 mesh.
Check your local regs for exact requirements of "mesh" (In US, that
would be 30 "holes"/inch along a side of a square inch) for your country.

otn

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