Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Excuse me while a vent a bit here...

Last June, I bought a brand-new 2005-model Merc 4-stroke 9.9. This is the
"ultralight" model: around 80lb. Turns out it's a rebadged Tohashu,
apparently.

This was the first brand-new outboard I've ever owned. Until now, I've
been running 20-30 yr old clunker 2-strokes.

First, it doesn't start as easily as I would expect. After going through
the rather complex Starting Procedure (including pushing the button on the
side and bringing the throttle above idle in neutral: recommended by the
Dealer but NOT IN THE MANUAL), it will start after 3-4 pulls. I've had
30-yr-old clunkers that start better than that!


No offense, Lloyd, but I wouldn't buy any new outboard engine without
first test-running a demo. And I wouldn't settle for the answers you are
getting from the dealer. Return it for a refund.


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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:20:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Excuse me while a vent a bit here...

Last June, I bought a brand-new 2005-model Merc 4-stroke 9.9. This is the
"ultralight" model: around 80lb. Turns out it's a rebadged Tohashu,
apparently.

This was the first brand-new outboard I've ever owned. Until now, I've
been running 20-30 yr old clunker 2-strokes.

First, it doesn't start as easily as I would expect. After going through
the rather complex Starting Procedure (including pushing the button on the
side and bringing the throttle above idle in neutral: recommended by the
Dealer but NOT IN THE MANUAL), it will start after 3-4 pulls. I've had
30-yr-old clunkers that start better than that!


No offense, Lloyd, but I wouldn't buy any new outboard engine without
first test-running a demo. And I wouldn't settle for the answers you are
getting from the dealer. Return it for a refund.

I did have them run it for me in a tank, but it's not the same thing. This
is a $2500 9.9, not a $50,000 200, so I doubt they'd let me put it on my
boat and run it around for awhile before I bought it.

I don't really WANT a refund - I want them to fix THIS engine: Sounds to
me like all it needs is some idle adjustments.

Which brings me to one reason for posting this: Is there anyone out there
in rec.boat-land that has a new-ish 9.9 4-stroke that can tell me if this
is "normal"? Does it start first pull, or after 3 or 4? Does it start on
idle? Does it idle when cold? Is there vibration when in gear at idle? And
is there a "lag" as you throttle up?

Lloyd Sumpter
"The Tin Boat" Mirrocraft 12

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:20:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Excuse me while a vent a bit here...

Last June, I bought a brand-new 2005-model Merc 4-stroke 9.9. This is the
"ultralight" model: around 80lb. Turns out it's a rebadged Tohashu,
apparently.

This was the first brand-new outboard I've ever owned. Until now, I've
been running 20-30 yr old clunker 2-strokes.

First, it doesn't start as easily as I would expect. After going through
the rather complex Starting Procedure (including pushing the button on the
side and bringing the throttle above idle in neutral: recommended by the
Dealer but NOT IN THE MANUAL), it will start after 3-4 pulls. I've had
30-yr-old clunkers that start better than that!


No offense, Lloyd, but I wouldn't buy any new outboard engine without
first test-running a demo. And I wouldn't settle for the answers you are
getting from the dealer. Return it for a refund.

I did have them run it for me in a tank, but it's not the same thing. This
is a $2500 9.9, not a $50,000 200, so I doubt they'd let me put it on my
boat and run it around for awhile before I bought it.

I don't really WANT a refund - I want them to fix THIS engine: Sounds to
me like all it needs is some idle adjustments.

Which brings me to one reason for posting this: Is there anyone out there
in rec.boat-land that has a new-ish 9.9 4-stroke that can tell me if this
is "normal"? Does it start first pull, or after 3 or 4? Does it start on
idle? Does it idle when cold? Is there vibration when in gear at idle? And
is there a "lag" as you throttle up?

Lloyd Sumpter
"The Tin Boat" Mirrocraft 12


Well, then, find yourself a competent dealer.

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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote...

Which brings me to one reason for posting this: Is there anyone out there
in rec.boat-land that has a new-ish 9.9 4-stroke that can tell me if this
is "normal"? Does it start first pull, or after 3 or 4? Does it start on
idle? Does it idle when cold? Is there vibration when in gear at idle? And
is there a "lag" as you throttle up?

I have a '00 Honda 15 which is the same displacement as their 9.9. It normally
starts on the 2nd pull when cold. The choke increases idle speed quite a bit
(~2000rpm) so I let it fast idle a while before easing the choke off and
dropping it in gear. It does not idle particularly smoothly but does smooth out
nice just above idle. There's no lag when throttling up. Honda calls for 1100
rpm idle and I usually troll between 1300-1800 using a low pitch prop and a
trolling plate.

It sounds like your choke is suspect, how do your plugs look?

-rick-

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:48:29 -0800, -rick- wrote:


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote...

Which brings me to one reason for posting this: Is there anyone out there
in rec.boat-land that has a new-ish 9.9 4-stroke that can tell me if this
is "normal"? Does it start first pull, or after 3 or 4? Does it start on
idle? Does it idle when cold? Is there vibration when in gear at idle? And
is there a "lag" as you throttle up?

I have a '00 Honda 15 which is the same displacement as their 9.9. It normally
starts on the 2nd pull when cold. The choke increases idle speed quite a bit
(~2000rpm) so I let it fast idle a while before easing the choke off and
dropping it in gear. It does not idle particularly smoothly but does smooth out
nice just above idle. There's no lag when throttling up. Honda calls for 1100
rpm idle and I usually troll between 1300-1800 using a low pitch prop and a
trolling plate.

It sounds like your choke is suspect, how do your plugs look?

-rick-

Thanks - I was wondering if anyone else in the Entire Newsgroup had a
similar engine...

Good point about the choke: you're right, on a lot of engines I've used
(like my motorbike), the choke increases the RPM.

I don't want to mess with it myself because it's still under warranty, but
I assume the plugs are good, since they're new.

Lloyd Sumpter
"The Tin Boat" Mirrocraft 12