On 12 Nov 2004 17:05:38 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Means the smart folks moved out to the suburbs and what's left voted
Democrat. Not hard to figure out.

John H

Ah yes, Suburbia. Where everybody lives on a dead end street. Suburbanities
endure private "covenants" requiring them to conform to the neighbors, so that
when it is time to paint the cloned house (with the cloned landscaping) any
thought of individual expression is squelched in favor of the "public good."
Suburbia, the fantasy consumption neighborhood where the economy produces
nothing and the SUV is a god. Suburbia is a land of economic imperialism- all
wealth and resources in Suburbia are extracted from some remote area (the city
to which all commute). Suburbia, the primarily lilly white land of cultural
conformity.

It's no wonder you guys in Suburbia vote Republican, the party reflects the
values to which you subscribe in everyday life.

Come on Chuck, you got to admit - that was a pretty funny zinger.

I know you can smile a little - give it a try - it won't hurt. :)

Live long and prosper,

Tom.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Means the smart folks moved out to the suburbs and what's left voted
Democrat. Not hard to figure out.

John H

Ah yes, Suburbia. Where everybody lives on a dead end street.
Suburbanities
endure private "covenants" requiring them to conform to the neighbors, so
that
when it is time to paint the cloned house (with the cloned landscaping)
any
thought of individual expression is squelched in favor of the "public
good."
Suburbia, the fantasy consumption neighborhood where the economy produces
nothing and the SUV is a god. Suburbia is a land of economic imperialism-
all
wealth and resources in Suburbia are extracted from some remote area (the
city
to which all commute). Suburbia, the primarily lilly white land of
cultural
conformity.

I don't know what community you live in, but suburbia is no longer lilly
white, you have every ethnic group imaginable in suburbia. People with
families are moving to suburbia, because so many of the inner city schools
suck. What makes you think minorities do not want a safe environment for
their children to learn?

If you visited the school districts in suburbia, you would be surprised how
diverse they are.

If you visited the school districts in suburbia, you would be surprised how
diverse they are.

Seems that not all that long ago we had an OT post here from a guy who lives in
Suburbia. As I recall, he was outraged that
"Mexicans" were living in a house in his neighborhood, and he was all but
completely convinced they had to be up to no good in order to afford the
payments. As I recall, the plaintiff went so far as to check property records
with the county to see whether the property was registered to somebody with a
Mexican sounding surname.

Ain't as integrated as you think, but it is somewhat. See the word "primarily"
in my observation. The more expensive, cutting edge suburban neighborhoods will
present an ethnic reflection of the way wealth is held in the US. Those
"suburban" neighborhoods closer to town, built 25-30 years ago, do seem to be
slightly more diverse.

On 12 Nov 2004 18:18:54 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

If you visited the school districts in suburbia, you would be surprised how
diverse they are.

Seems that not all that long ago we had an OT post here from a guy who lives in
Suburbia. As I recall, he was outraged that
"Mexicans" were living in a house in his neighborhood, and he was all but
completely convinced they had to be up to no good in order to afford the
payments. As I recall, the plaintiff went so far as to check property records
with the county to see whether the property was registered to somebody with a
Mexican sounding surname.

Ain't as integrated as you think, but it is somewhat. See the word "primarily"
in my observation. The more expensive, cutting edge suburban neighborhoods will
present an ethnic reflection of the way wealth is held in the US. Those
"suburban" neighborhoods closer to town, built 25-30 years ago, do seem to be
slightly more diverse.


Had nothing to do with their country of origin, had to do with their
habits, and the number of people and cars for one house and yard. Get
off your high horse, Chuck, it's not becoming.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

I can not understand your point. Do you have a problem with people buying
expensive homes or the fact that not everyone can afford expensive homes?
In the under $200,000 home, which is above the national average (I know the
west coast is expensive as hell), you will find a large percent to be owned
by non whites. Do you have a problem with people buying homes based upon
their financial situation or based upon the reputation of the schools? Do
you have a problem with people who move into the suburbs?

As far as your other comment, most communities, apartments, condos and
cities in both the inner city and suburbs will have zoning laws governing
how property can be used. I know if I had a neighbor who did not mow his
law, had turned his front law into a parking lot, had trash all over his
property, I would be upset, and it would not matter what their ethnic
background was. I would contact the local government as see if they were
violating any laws, wouldn't you?




"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
If you visited the school districts in suburbia, you would be surprised
how
diverse they are.

Seems that not all that long ago we had an OT post here from a guy who
lives in
Suburbia. As I recall, he was outraged that
"Mexicans" were living in a house in his neighborhood, and he was all but
completely convinced they had to be up to no good in order to afford the
payments. As I recall, the plaintiff went so far as to check property
records
with the county to see whether the property was registered to somebody
with a
Mexican sounding surname.

Ain't as integrated as you think, but it is somewhat. See the word
"primarily"
in my observation. The more expensive, cutting edge suburban neighborhoods
will
present an ethnic reflection of the way wealth is held in the US. Those
"suburban" neighborhoods closer to town, built 25-30 years ago, do seem to
be
slightly more diverse.

Gould,
One other point about urban areas vs. suburban areas. In most cities the
inner city is becoming gentrified. Young professionals are buying homes in
the city, getting strict zoning and covenants passed so they will have their
investments protected. They are then bidding up the value of the homes so
they can do extensive remolding. Some of those who live in the inner city
feel it is unfair to them, because when the young professionals move in,
they have less affordable homes.

Should we view these young professionals as a blight on the inner city?



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
If you visited the school districts in suburbia, you would be surprised
how
diverse they are.

Seems that not all that long ago we had an OT post here from a guy who
lives in
Suburbia. As I recall, he was outraged that
"Mexicans" were living in a house in his neighborhood, and he was all but
completely convinced they had to be up to no good in order to afford the
payments. As I recall, the plaintiff went so far as to check property
records
with the county to see whether the property was registered to somebody
with a
Mexican sounding surname.

Ain't as integrated as you think, but it is somewhat. See the word
"primarily"
in my observation. The more expensive, cutting edge suburban neighborhoods
will
present an ethnic reflection of the way wealth is held in the US. Those
"suburban" neighborhoods closer to town, built 25-30 years ago, do seem to
be
slightly more diverse.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Means the smart folks moved out to the suburbs and what's left voted
Democrat. Not hard to figure out.

John H

Ah yes, Suburbia. Where everybody lives on a dead end street.
Suburbanities
endure private "covenants" requiring them to conform to the neighbors, so
that
when it is time to paint the cloned house (with the cloned landscaping)
any
thought of individual expression is squelched in favor of the "public
good."
Suburbia, the fantasy consumption neighborhood where the economy produces
nothing and the SUV is a god. Suburbia is a land of economic imperialism-
all
wealth and resources in Suburbia are extracted from some remote area (the
city
to which all commute). Suburbia, the primarily lilly white land of
cultural
conformity.

It's no wonder you guys in Suburbia vote Republican, the party reflects
the
values to which you subscribe in everyday life.



What world do you live in Chuck? In mine people of all economic classes,
all races, all ages and all religions live in suburbia's across the United
States. Suburbia is actually more diverse than most inner city
neighborhoods.

What world do you live in Chuck? In mine people of all economic classes,
all races, all ages and all religions live in suburbia's across the United
States. Suburbia is actually more diverse than most inner city
neighborhoods.

I recently attended a business function at
a new, golf course community in the Cascade foothills- about 20-25 miles from
downtown Seattle. This place is brand new. They are going to hold a PGA
tournament there in 2005 or 2006. The houses are all painted various shades of
beige, all have the same roofing, the same windows, etc. Two or three new
sections are still under construction, and all the $1mm plus houses are painted
various shades of beige. While I didn't go door to door and do a survey, I did
see some diversity while I was there... a number of minorities worked for the
catering company- (but I'll bet you a buck they weren't living in the immediate
community).

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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What world do you live in Chuck? In mine people of all economic classes,
all races, all ages and all religions live in suburbia's across the United
States. Suburbia is actually more diverse than most inner city
neighborhoods.

I recently attended a business function at
a new, golf course community in the Cascade foothills- about 20-25 miles
from
downtown Seattle. This place is brand new. They are going to hold a PGA
tournament there in 2005 or 2006. The houses are all painted various
shades of
beige, all have the same roofing, the same windows, etc. Two or three new
sections are still under construction, and all the $1mm plus houses are
painted
various shades of beige. While I didn't go door to door and do a survey, I
did
see some diversity while I was there... a number of minorities worked for
the
catering company- (but I'll bet you a buck they weren't living in the
immediate
community).



And that snap shot picture certainly is a true representation of all of
suburbia.

My, what a broad brush we paint with Chuck.

What in the hell is your point? That neighborhood is not reflective of the
average neighborhood in America. But in most communities you will find very
rich blacks, Hispanics and Asians. Where do you think the rappers, sports
stars, minority businessmen live?

I also bet the average unskilled worker does not live in your neighborhood
or own a boat.

It would appear that you concern is not towards those who have less than
you, but those who have more than you.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
What world do you live in Chuck? In mine people of all economic classes,
all races, all ages and all religions live in suburbia's across the United
States. Suburbia is actually more diverse than most inner city
neighborhoods.

I recently attended a business function at
a new, golf course community in the Cascade foothills- about 20-25 miles
from
downtown Seattle. This place is brand new. They are going to hold a PGA
tournament there in 2005 or 2006. The houses are all painted various
shades of
beige, all have the same roofing, the same windows, etc. Two or three new
sections are still under construction, and all the $1mm plus houses are
painted
various shades of beige. While I didn't go door to door and do a survey, I
did
see some diversity while I was there... a number of minorities worked for
the
catering company- (but I'll bet you a buck they weren't living in the
immediate
community).