Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Clams Canino wrote:

Hi!

This might parrot what others said, but in my opinon the more you can
hound
wreckless jet-ski's the better.

Why? Unless they are breaking a definite law, they have the same right
to be on the water as anyone else, regardless of how they may "annoy"
someone.

Sometimes they have miles of water to play in, but they congregate around
anchored boats whose owners simply want a little peace and quiet. They may
not be breaking a law by doing that, but it's absolutely obnoxious.

Agreed. But encouraging a LEO to "hound them" simply becasue you don't
like what they do, is not legal.

There's
nothing wrong with a cop teaching them some manners, since their parents
obviously forgot.

It's not a cop's place to "teach manners". His place is to enforce
existing laws. If there is no law that prohibits a jetski from
frequenting the same are of a the water, the cop has no right to hassle
the PWC operator.


If the guy in the rowboat with the 5HP engine puts in in a large bay
like the Chesapeake, which is home to megayachts, commercial ships, and
wind swept chop, then his judgement is impared.

If the guy in the small boat plants himself near a channel, he's made a
choice.

Right, a bad one.


If he plants himself miles from a channel and some asshole in a 50
ft boat chooses to come within 200 ft and throw an enormous wake, it's
obnoxious. Again, there's nothing wrong with a cop pulling him over for a
little chat. You know this. Stop baiting the assembled audience.

Again, if you can cite the specific law that's been broken, that's one
thing. Otherwise, making judgement calls based on personal opinion, is
not within the purview of the LEO. Perhaps you favor the cops randomly
pulling over certain cars, which display certain behavioral traits which
*might* be offensive. Some people might call that profiling.


Intoxicated operators is a no-brainer, but why the beef with speedboats?
I, like many performance boaters, like things in the fast lane. There
are many myths proliferated relating to operation at speed. Most are a
bunch of hot air.

Like jetski operators, speedboats sometimes they have miles of water to play
in, but they congregate around anchored boats whose owners simply want a
little peace and quiet.

Really? A guy who spends $100K on a flashy Fountain, is going to spend
his time running circles around a bunch of anchored boats? You must boat
in a really strange place. Usually, the only time larger boats run like
this is when they are pulling water toys. It just so happens that some
of the best coves for anchoring, are also the calmest coves for skiing.

Maybe you should reconsider your choice of place to enjoy "peace and
quiet". Anchoring adjacent to a transient channel, and attempting to
complain when people pass by, is a bit ridiculous.


They may not be breaking a law by doing that, but
it's absolutely obnoxious. Some people go boating for the quiet. Some people
go boating for the excitement. They have to allow for each other. You know
this.

Being "obnoxious" is not illegal. Bad taste maybe. Poor manners, likely.
Bad judgement, probably. Oblivious of their affects, most likely. But
illegal, no.

Stop baiting the assembled audience.

I'm not "baiting" anyone. I'm just illustrating the line which exists
between the law, and people's personal opinions. There is no law
protecting anyone from being "annoyed" by the actions of another. This
is a free country (more or less) and people have the right to pursue
their leisure activities, provided that those actions do not pose a
danger to the health and safety of the general population, or are not
expressly prohibited by specific laws.


Dave

More often than you may realize, cops have to deal with situations which
involve no violation of the law. But, smart cops show up anyway because they
know that if they don't, they'll have a REAL problem on their hands
otherwise.

You may want to ask a cop about this next thing, but I know you're not too
keen on getting involved with your local public servants.

Forget hostage situations. Forget armed robbers. Forget bomb scares. What is
the most dangerous and unpredictable situation for which cops are called
regularly? Hint: 99% of the time, it initially involves no laws being
broken.

Probably domestic / family arguments.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
More often than you may realize, cops have to deal with situations which
involve no violation of the law. But, smart cops show up anyway because
they
know that if they don't, they'll have a REAL problem on their hands
otherwise.

You may want to ask a cop about this next thing, but I know you're not too
keen on getting involved with your local public servants.

Forget hostage situations. Forget armed robbers. Forget bomb scares. What
is
the most dangerous and unpredictable situation for which cops are called
regularly? Hint: 99% of the time, it initially involves no laws being
broken.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
More often than you may realize, cops have to deal with situations which
involve no violation of the law. But, smart cops show up anyway because
they
know that if they don't, they'll have a REAL problem on their hands
otherwise.

You may want to ask a cop about this next thing, but I know you're not too
keen on getting involved with your local public servants.

Forget hostage situations. Forget armed robbers. Forget bomb scares. What
is
the most dangerous and unpredictable situation for which cops are called
regularly? Hint: 99% of the time, it initially involves no laws being
broken.

"Disturbance" calls.
--
-= swatcop =-

"If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed."

"swatcop" wrote in message
om...



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
More often than you may realize, cops have to deal with situations which
involve no violation of the law. But, smart cops show up anyway because
they
know that if they don't, they'll have a REAL problem on their hands
otherwise.

You may want to ask a cop about this next thing, but I know you're not
too
keen on getting involved with your local public servants.

Forget hostage situations. Forget armed robbers. Forget bomb scares.
What
is
the most dangerous and unpredictable situation for which cops are called
regularly? Hint: 99% of the time, it initially involves no laws being
broken.

"Disturbance" calls.

Hey! You blew it! Dave Hall was supposed to guess this one. :-) Then, he was
supposed to explain to us why a cop should show up at someone's house just
because the neighbor heard yelling, something that's not illegal. Finally,
he was going to tell us why, if nothing illegal was going on, do these
situations turn ugly. Sort of like this one:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...IP5_news.shtml

Oops, sorry..

--
-= swatcop =-

"If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed."

I beat him to it!

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"swatcop" wrote in message
om...



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
More often than you may realize, cops have to deal with situations
which
involve no violation of the law. But, smart cops show up anyway
because
they
know that if they don't, they'll have a REAL problem on their hands
otherwise.

You may want to ask a cop about this next thing, but I know you're not
too
keen on getting involved with your local public servants.

Forget hostage situations. Forget armed robbers. Forget bomb scares.
What
is
the most dangerous and unpredictable situation for which cops are
called
regularly? Hint: 99% of the time, it initially involves no laws being
broken.

"Disturbance" calls.

Hey! You blew it! Dave Hall was supposed to guess this one. :-) Then, he
was
supposed to explain to us why a cop should show up at someone's house just
because the neighbor heard yelling, something that's not illegal. Finally,
he was going to tell us why, if nothing illegal was going on, do these
situations turn ugly. Sort of like this one:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...IP5_news.shtml

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:
Sometimes they have miles of water to play in, but they congregate
around
anchored boats whose owners simply want a little peace and quiet. They
may
not be breaking a law by doing that, but it's absolutely obnoxious.

Agreed. But encouraging a LEO to "hound them" simply becasue you don't
like what they do, is not legal.

Ya know, it's like pulling teeth with you. For anyone else, an implied
meaning is sufficient. For you, things need to be spelled out. Here we go -
add these pieces together and see what you come up with, Socrates:

1) Much of the time, a cop will pull someone over because they're driving
strangely. Sometimes, the driver is drunk, so the external observation was
correct.

2) If someone goes down a narrow residential street doing 75mph, he is
clearly a fool. Forget the speed limit. It's safe to say his judgement is
impaired in some way.

3) If someone repeatedly buzzes at high speed within 200 feet of a bunch of
boats which are anchored, when there's no other reason for him to be in that
place, external observation is all you need in order to decide that his
judgement is impaired.

4) Relative to #3, above, there is no harbor, no channel, no nothing. No
reason for the idiot to be doing what he's doing except that he's either
oblivious to he anchored boats or he's intentionally doing it to annoy
people with noise and wake. A cop has every reason in the world to stop that
boat and ask some questions.


There's
nothing wrong with a cop teaching them some manners, since their parents
obviously forgot.

It's not a cop's place to "teach manners". His place is to enforce
existing laws. If there is no law that prohibits a jetski from
frequenting the same are of a the water, the cop has no right to hassle
the PWC operator.

Sometimes, cops don't need laws. But in ALL cases, they have mandates. In
other words, there are things that citizens might WANT the cops to do, which
are not spelled out by laws. This happens all the time, Dave. Got a rash of
burglaries on your street? Got 50 houses on your street? Get a petition from
half the owners which says you want the cops to stop cars which seem to be
meandering aimlessly, just looking around. It's called a mandate. There's no
law against going to slow in a 30mph zone, but the cops will still show up
and make themselves a pain in the ass if you ask them to.


If the guy in the rowboat with the 5HP engine puts in in a large bay
like the Chesapeake, which is home to megayachts, commercial ships,
and
wind swept chop, then his judgement is impared.

If the guy in the small boat plants himself near a channel, he's made a
choice.

Right, a bad one.

Spelled out for you: He has no business complaining about wakes and noise if
he anchors in or near a busy channel.



If he plants himself miles from a channel and some asshole in a 50
ft boat chooses to come within 200 ft and throw an enormous wake, it's
obnoxious. Again, there's nothing wrong with a cop pulling him over for
a
little chat. You know this. Stop baiting the assembled audience.

Again, if you can cite the specific law that's been broken, that's one
thing. Otherwise, making judgement calls based on personal opinion, is
not within the purview of the LEO. Perhaps you favor the cops randomly
pulling over certain cars, which display certain behavioral traits which
*might* be offensive. Some people might call that profiling.

When citizens want that to happen, it's called a mandate. A few years back,
it was alleged that NYC police were taking known gang members into alleys
and giving them a little tune-up. Investigators couldn't find any good
citizens from the neighborhood to discuss it. It was a mandate they'd
requested.


Intoxicated operators is a no-brainer, but why the beef with
speedboats?
I, like many performance boaters, like things in the fast lane. There
are many myths proliferated relating to operation at speed. Most are a
bunch of hot air.

Like jetski operators, speedboats sometimes they have miles of water to
play
in, but they congregate around anchored boats whose owners simply want a
little peace and quiet.

Really? A guy who spends $100K on a flashy Fountain, is going to spend
his time running circles around a bunch of anchored boats? You must boat
in a really strange place. Usually, the only time larger boats run like
this is when they are pulling water toys. It just so happens that some
of the best coves for anchoring, are also the calmest coves for skiing.

On a good trout stream, some of the best places to fish are sometimes taken
by a couple of other guys. I move to another place. Sometimes the best place
to take my son tubing is occupied by someone pulling a skiier. I find
another place, rather than worry about a collision.


Maybe you should reconsider your choice of place to enjoy "peace and
quiet". Anchoring adjacent to a transient channel, and attempting to
complain when people pass by, is a bit ridiculous.

Who said anything about a transient channel?