"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand; mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy ( in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at 200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:17:27 GMT, "RG"
wrote:

"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand; mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy ( in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at 200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG



Rich,
I've got no problem with your setup- sounds perfect for where
you run. I DON'T want to hear about 65°, however, as we never cleared
20° today!

20" inches of snow sit on my boat cover. I'll get to it, but first,
I've got to shovel the roof. Rain is forecast for Wednesday, and
that's a bad mix. (

Please don't tease the animals. þ
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. )

Good thing it is mud. We run aluminum jetboats in rivers with rocks and
boulders. The true river sled, mine is a deeper version and draws 6-8" at
speed, vs the true sled at about 2" can ride a self cause wave over a dry
gravel bar. 0.190" aluminum bottom is nice.
Bill

"RG" wrote in message
...
"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose
the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can
get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor
on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff
and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of
water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand;
mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy (
in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I
had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back
correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at
200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

Noah...20 degrees..Bah Humbug...Why do you think I moved from Chicago 23
years ago?? RG

Calif Bill, Yea, we have our version of your "sleds" see
www.flatsmasterboats.com . They say they run on spit. They are fiberglass,
though, which works around here just fine.
RG

"noah"
Rich,
I've got no problem with your setup- sounds perfect for where
you run. I DON'T want to hear about 65°, however, as we never cleared
20° today!

20" inches of snow sit on my boat cover. I'll get to it, but first,
I've got to shovel the roof. Rain is forecast for Wednesday, and
that's a bad mix. (

Please don't tease the animals. þ
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
...as you were. )

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:33:31 +0000, F330 GT wrote:

So...if you want to play with TC-3 oil, snort oil fumes, sacrifice
fuel mileage, and endure the noise for a superior hole shot, the 27 to
3 vote is probably right on target. You'll be much happier with the 2
stroke.

I don't get it, but different strokes for different folks.....


Everyone in the marine industry and most of its environmental critics are aware
that there are now at least four manufacturers of two-cycle outboards with DFI,
direct fuel injection: systems that put the fuel directly into the combustion
chamber after the intake and exhaust ports close.

Some interesting data. But I'm confused. If the fuel is injected directly
into the combustion chamber (and I assume immediately burned), how does
the crankcase get lubricated? Is there oil in the "fuel" that's injected?
Why?

Now, you say a DFI 2-stroke has better emissions than a 4-stroke. I infer
that you're talking about a carburated 4-stroke - what about a DFI
4-stroke (like most 4-stroke motorbike engines are, I believe)? As long as
a 2-stoke burns oil, I can't see how it will do better, emission-wise,
than a comparable 4-stroke (ie carb-to-carb, DFI-to-DFI, etc).

And, again by experience: I have yet to see a 2-stroke outboard that
doesn't smoke like hell at idle. And I see a lot of outboards at launch
ramps, marinas, etc. Maybe nobody's buying these DFI outboards?

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Hi Rich,

Did you get a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke?

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com







www.kiene.com

"RG" wrote in message
...
"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose
the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can
get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor
on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff
and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of
water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand;
mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy (
in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I
had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back
correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at
200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

I haven't got the new ( to me ) 1989 El Pescador -16 ft- back yet from the
builder. She had some hull "stress cracks" that I knew about when I bought
her. I brought her to the original builder to have the cracks fixed
correctly. She is back at Victoria El Pescador (www.elpescador.com in
Victoria TX, getting her bottom re-arranged properly!

It'll be a nearly new boat/motor/trailer when I get done. I'll take her to
the motor guy the same day I get the call that she is ready, though Victoria
is a two hour drive one way from North Houston. ( Nothing is close in
Texas).

I'm surely leaning towards the two stroke now that I've read all of the
messages.
RichG


"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
om...
Hi Rich,

Did you get a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke?

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com







www.kiene.com

"RG" wrote in message
...
"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose
the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can
get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised
motor
on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff
and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of
water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the
hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand;
mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think
4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525
square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet
in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy (
in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and
up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I
had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back
correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and
wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at
200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

Whoops ...Sorry Bill ... that was www.elpescadorboats.com if you wanted
to take a look at the unusual hull style. I'll bet they don't have any like
that in California!!!!

They no longer make the 16 footer.
RichG

del cecchi wrote:
"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Clams Canino wrote:

/nods

I know of *many* two-stoke outboards that have several decades on

individual

units.

If the 4 stroke outboards turn out anything like the 4 stroke

motorcycle

engines. They won't have as long a service life.

-W

"-v-" wrote in message
. com...


For getting away quickly the 2 strokes are OK indeed that's

probably

their only strong point, but for fuel economy, long service life,

Large 2 stroke OB's have demonstrated their ability to provide a

long

reliable service life over several decades, large 4 stroke OB's have

not.




Touche!!! Point taken from you both & begrudgingly accepted:-)


K


You might want to check out the Bass and Walleye boats page to see if
they have any comparisons on line. And keep in mind that it won't be
long and you won't be able to buy (new anyway) any of those fine
carburated 2 strokes that have demonstrated reliability, only 4 strokes
or DFI. Now which of those have the best reliabilty. And I don't know
where you got the idea that 2 stroke MC engines were more durable than 4
strokes.

del cecchi


Sadly true about not being "able" to get a simple carbed 2 stroke, but
like the cars in the 70s doom & gloom prevailed over the CA CARB regs
however in the end we have better cars, same will happen with 4 stroke
OBs I'd suggest. The DFIs were a passing thing that have done most of
their damage, save a few diehards like Bill, but they're dead & have
been from the beginning.

I do think Clams & V make a point though, it's still too early to say
for absolutely sure the 4 strokes will last as long as the old tech 2
strokes.


K

I didn't - I commented that 4 cycle MC engines were not that durable - at
least as compared to car engines. If the 4 cycle outboards run 'em like a
bike engine.....

-W

"del cecchi" wrote in message news:fUbBb.836

And I don't know
where you got the idea that 2 stroke MC engines were more durable than 4
strokes.

del cecchi