On another thread, I asked about a 2 stroke vs. a 4 stroke for flats
fishing. Lots of "up on plane, get going .. stop .. do it again" etc. I run
in 18 inches of water or less most of the time.

One respondent brings up the theory that "four strokes can and do produce
better "thrust"". Is that theory correct?

In my original posting, I clearly needed/want hole shot..not better gas
mileage..more quiet..less pollution, or top end speed. Right now, in the
couple of groups in which I posted the original question...the vote is 27 to
3 votes in favor of 2 stokes over 4 strokes??????. If his theory is
correct...the 27 to 3 seems wrong for my particular needs. any comments are
much appreciated.. thanks

Four strokes tend to have more low-end "grunt" and a smoother power curve.
Two strokes tend to have a more pronounced "powerband".

That said on a boat that's propped right - a 2-stroke gets into the
powerband on the hole shot.

My boat (running a VERY old 2-stroke) is propped to 5600 rpm WOT (don't mean
I run it there often) and my hole shot is "explosive" to say the least.

-W

"RG" wrote in message
...
On another thread, I asked about a 2 stroke vs. a 4 stroke for flats
fishing. Lots of "up on plane, get going .. stop .. do it again" etc. I
run
in 18 inches of water or less most of the time.

One respondent brings up the theory that "four strokes can and do produce
better "thrust"". Is that theory correct?

In my original posting, I clearly needed/want hole shot..not better gas
mileage..more quiet..less pollution, or top end speed. Right now, in the
couple of groups in which I posted the original question...the vote is 27
to
3 votes in favor of 2 stokes over 4 strokes??????. If his theory is
correct...the 27 to 3 seems wrong for my particular needs. any comments
are
much appreciated.. thanks

You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose the motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand; mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy ( in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at 200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:17:27 GMT, "RG"
wrote:

"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand; mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy ( in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at 200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG



Rich,
I've got no problem with your setup- sounds perfect for where
you run. I DON'T want to hear about 65°, however, as we never cleared
20° today!

20" inches of snow sit on my boat cover. I'll get to it, but first,
I've got to shovel the roof. Rain is forecast for Wednesday, and
that's a bad mix. (

Please don't tease the animals. þ
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. )

Noah...20 degrees..Bah Humbug...Why do you think I moved from Chicago 23
years ago?? RG

Calif Bill, Yea, we have our version of your "sleds" see
www.flatsmasterboats.com . They say they run on spit. They are fiberglass,
though, which works around here just fine.
RG

"noah"
Rich,
I've got no problem with your setup- sounds perfect for where
you run. I DON'T want to hear about 65°, however, as we never cleared
20° today!

20" inches of snow sit on my boat cover. I'll get to it, but first,
I've got to shovel the roof. Rain is forecast for Wednesday, and
that's a bad mix. (

Please don't tease the animals. þ
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
...as you were. )

Good thing it is mud. We run aluminum jetboats in rivers with rocks and
boulders. The true river sled, mine is a deeper version and draws 6-8" at
speed, vs the true sled at about 2" can ride a self cause wave over a dry
gravel bar. 0.190" aluminum bottom is nice.
Bill

"RG" wrote in message
...
"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose
the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can
get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor
on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff
and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of
water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand;
mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy (
in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I
had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back
correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at
200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

Hi Rich,

Did you get a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke?

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com







www.kiene.com

"RG" wrote in message
...
"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose
the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can
get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised motor
on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff
and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of
water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand;
mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think 4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525 square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy (
in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I
had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back
correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at
200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

I haven't got the new ( to me ) 1989 El Pescador -16 ft- back yet from the
builder. She had some hull "stress cracks" that I knew about when I bought
her. I brought her to the original builder to have the cracks fixed
correctly. She is back at Victoria El Pescador (www.elpescador.com in
Victoria TX, getting her bottom re-arranged properly!

It'll be a nearly new boat/motor/trailer when I get done. I'll take her to
the motor guy the same day I get the call that she is ready, though Victoria
is a two hour drive one way from North Houston. ( Nothing is close in
Texas).

I'm surely leaning towards the two stroke now that I've read all of the
messages.
RichG


"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
om...
Hi Rich,

Did you get a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke?

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com







www.kiene.com

"RG" wrote in message
...
"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
You want to do hole shots in 18" of water or less? You should choose
the
motor
with the cheapest prop and lower unit.

Actually, 18 inches is at the "deep" end of my scale around here. I can
get
the CSkiff up in 12 inches easily with the right setback and raised
motor
on
my little boat.

Today, on a beautiful 65 degree day.... my little 14 ft. Carolina Skiff
and
I skimmed into about -9-" inches....yes, that is NINE inches..... of
water
today. When I shut her down, however, I had so little water under the
hull
that I had to pull the "big " ( 25 hp ) engine up and keep the trolling
motor in its holster. Luckily the wind was blowing the right way, and I
floated out in no time. Not smart, necessarily, but its mostly a sand;
mud
( and occasional oyster reef ) bottom. Keeps my prop polished, too! The
tricky North Winds blew a foot or two of water out of our bays. Go Away
Northers!!!!!

That's the interesting thing with this newsgroup. A lot of people think
4
feet is shallow. Ha...the entire area of Galveston (TX ) Bay ( 525
square
miles-Third largest bay system in the U.S. ) averages less than 10 feet
in
depth. Ask me how I know this.... ( I used to have a 27 foot Catalina
sailboat with a fixed keel).

Last summer, when I bought the new 25 hp Merc. for the CSkiff, the guy (
in
Illinois) simply could NOT believe that I wanted the motor set back and
up
so high over the bottom of the hull. When I returned home to Houston, I
had
to take it to North Shore Marine here to have it set up and back
correctly.

Thanks for all of your comments, some of which are understanding and
wise
and some simply incredulous.
I'm incredulous when someone asks about a depth finder that can read at
200
feet!!

Keep 'em coming. Ain't boating grand???

RichG

RG wrote:
On another thread, I asked about a 2 stroke vs. a 4 stroke for flats
fishing. Lots of "up on plane, get going .. stop .. do it again" etc. I run
in 18 inches of water or less most of the time.

One respondent brings up the theory that "four strokes can and do produce
better "thrust"". Is that theory correct?

In my original posting, I clearly needed/want hole shot..not better gas
mileage..more quiet..less pollution, or top end speed. Right now, in the
couple of groups in which I posted the original question...the vote is 27 to
3 votes in favor of 2 stokes over 4 strokes??????. If his theory is
correct...the 27 to 3 seems wrong for my particular needs. any comments are
much appreciated.. thanks



Not really the thrust is a function of the propeller & what type of
engine turns it. Propellers with lost of pitch to provide a high top
speed on a fast boat, need lots of low down torque to get them away
quickly from a standing start. What you really want is an engine with
the best low down torque & traditionally 4 strokes have been good at
this, however this is not the case with the new 4 stroke OBs.

It's true 4 strokes can produce good torque however in your hole shot
premises a 2 stroke can be just as good & sometimes better (more bangs
for a given number of prop turns). So the 2 strokes can produce good low
down torque which means they can bog less from a standing start, this is
usually put down to their weight advantage but.

The new 4 strokes are usually very high revving engines (sometimes
higher than the equivalent HP 2 stroke) which means they produce their
best torque quite high up the rev band, again contrary to the usual
comments.

For getting away quickly the 2 strokes are OK indeed that's probably
their only strong point, but for fuel economy, long service life, ease
of use, resale value etc the 4 stroke is the go.

You've been warned about the Evinrudes, stay well away for the next 5
yrs at least, indeed I'll predict they won't even exist in 5 yrs just as
I did Ficht & it only took 3 yrs for them to go:-).


K