On 3/27/20 7:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/27/2020 7:35 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
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Take a chill pill.Â* Or maybe you've already taken too many?

First of all, it's not like GM or Ford or Tesla has to start from
scratch. The POTUS under the Defense Production Act can order
the design drawings, manufacturing procedures, bills of material
with sources from any current manufacturer to be given to GM,
Ford or Tesla.Â* What the auto manufacturers bring to the table
is manufacturing capacity.

Second, I am surprised to see you dumping on the Donald in this
case.Â* It was GM (big business, remember?)Â* who was trying to
extort and take advantage of a national crisis. “
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I’m surprised that someone like Toyota or Honda hasn’t already put
them into production.Â* Or the people who make CPAC machines for that
matter



Toyota or Honda could probably do it but I am not sure they fall under
the Defense Production Act.Â* Maybe the US plants do.

The key isn't a need to re-invent the wheel.Â* The key
is manufacturing capacity and space to do it,Â* something the auto
manufacturers have.

Issue here is that GM, Ford and Tesla offered without being
asked or directed to by invoking the act.Â* GM apparently
reneged somewhat, lowering how many they could build
and upping the price.

Remains to be seen what Ford and Tesla does.



The reality is, the Trump Administration is not being transparent on
this issue, and therefore we don't know what transpired between Trump
and GM. Just today, he apparently told Pence not to call the governors
of at least two states regarding the virus because they didn't
"appreciate" him.

On 3/27/20 7:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/27/2020 7:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/27/20 7:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/27/2020 7:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/27/20 6:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Apparently, after promising to
tool up to produce ventilators, GM started
demanding excessive up front money, jacking
the price per ventilator up and
producing less than was
originally promised.

Trump just punched back, invoking the
Defense Production Act to require General Motors
to produce the ventilators, like it or not.


That's it.

I am trading my GM Canyon in on a Ford.



We now lead the world in COVOID-19 cases, partly as a result of
Trump's zigzagging, lying, and stalling on coming up with real
responses to the virus. MAGA.

Hospital ventilators are not simple devices. If GM doesn't buy the
technology and dies and so forth, I wonder how quickly the auto
company can produce them in numbers.


Take a chill pill.Â* Or maybe you've already taken too many?

First of all, it's not like GM or Ford or Tesla has to start from
scratch. The POTUS under the Defense Production Act can order
the design drawings, manufacturing procedures, bills of material
with sources from any current manufacturer to be given to GM,
Ford or Tesla.Â* What the auto manufacturers bring to the table
is manufacturing capacity.

Second, I am surprised to see you dumping on the Donald in this
case.Â* It was GM (big business, remember?)Â* who was trying to
extort and take advantage of a national crisis.

Extortion is the byword of Trump. Have we spent $100 million yet on
his golfing weekends?

It's going to take GM and anyone else some time...weeks, months? to
start producing reliable ventilators.


Maybe we'll need them.Â* Hopefully we won't.Â* But knowledge has been
gained about how to be prepared and there's talk that even if this
cycle of covid-19 dies down, it may be back again ... or something
like it.

You are treating this as if it's business as usual.Â* It's not.
This is a national emergency the likes of which none of us have
seen in our life time.

Extraordinary measures are in order.

Two days ago the Dems were accusing
Trump of not fully invoking the Defense Act.Â* He was
criticized of relying on
the promises of GM, Ford and Tesla.Â* But now that GM is playing
games and he fully invokes the Defense Act, he's now being
criticized by the same people for doing it.

If there's anything
that can be used to dump on Trump you and your pals will take full
advantage of it.

It's a little disgusting under the circumstances.


What's your source for stating that GM is playing games? Trump or one of
his administration lackeys?

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On 3/27/20 7:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/27/2020 7:35 PM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - Take a chill pill. Or maybe you've already taken too many? First of all, it's not like GM or Ford or Tesla has to start from scratch. The POTUS under the Defense Production Act can order the design drawings, manufacturing procedures, bills of material with sources from any current manufacturer to be given to GM, Ford or Tesla. What the auto manufacturers bring to the table is manufacturing capacity. Second, I am surprised to see you dumping on the Donald in this case. It was GM (big business, remember?) who was trying to extort and take advantage of a national crisis. +IBw - show quoted text - I+IBk-m surprised that someone like Toyota or Honda hasn+IBk-t already put them into production. Or the people who make CPAC machines for that matter Toyota or Honda could probably do it but I am not sure they fall under the Defense Production Act. Maybe the US plants do. The key isn't a need to re-invent the wheel. The key is manufacturing capacity and space to do it, something the auto manufacturers have. Issue here is that GM, Ford and Tesla offered without being asked or directed to by invoking the act. GM apparently reneged somewhat, lowering how many they could build and upping the price. Remains to be seen what Ford and Tesla does. The reality is, the Trump Administration is not being transparent on this issue, and therefore we don't know what transpired between Trump and GM. Just today, he apparently told Pence not to call the governors of at least two states regarding the virus because they didn't "appreciate" him.

Which begs the question , If Fat Harry doesn't know what
transpired how does he known Trump hasn't been transparent? Fat
Harry needs to engage his brain before he lets crap fly from his
keyboard.
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Mr. Luddite
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I've been window shopping (on the computer) but right now isn't the best
time to be out at car/truck dealerships. In July it will be 3 years
since I bought the GMC Canyon. For my purposes it has been fine with
no major issues other than a problem GM had using the wrong transmission
fluid that caused a "shutter". That was fixed and I have no complaints.

I've always liked Fords though. If Ford ponies up and helps with the
covid-19 crisis and with memories of them not taking a bail-out back
in 2009 like GM did, it may be enough for me to dump the Canyon and
buy a Ford something.
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I’ve driven ford products for about the last 20 years with no complaints. Just bought a used f-150 a month ago.

On 3/28/20 10:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I've been window shopping (on the computer) but right now isn't the best
time to be out at car/truck dealerships.Â* In July it will be 3 years
since I bought the GMC Canyon. For my purposes it has been fine with
no major issues other than a problem GM had using the wrong transmission
fluid that caused a "shutter".Â* That was fixed and I have no complaints.

I've always liked Fords though.Â* If Ford ponies up and helps with the
covid-19 crisis and with memories of them not taking a bail-out back
in 2009 like GM did, it may be enough for me to dump the Canyon and
buy a Ford something.


You'd trade in a perfectly good vehicle based on bull**** Trump is
spreading about GM?
Heh heh heh. You boyz are something else.

I just hit 40,000 miles in my Toyota Tacoma with absolutely no issues. I
did replace a battery and I get the 10,000 mile service done like
clockwork. Truck still looks new. Can't think of a reason to trade it in
on a new one, not even with the email offers I keep getting from the dealer.

John H
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The new Ford 150 looks like a super truck. My SIL got one through the company,
and he loves it.
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Can’t afford to buy new but would love to have one

On 3/28/2020 12:25 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/28/20 10:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I've been window shopping (on the computer) but right now isn't the best
time to be out at car/truck dealerships.Â* In July it will be 3 years
since I bought the GMC Canyon. For my purposes it has been fine with
no major issues other than a problem GM had using the wrong transmission
fluid that caused a "shutter".Â* That was fixed and I have no complaints.

I've always liked Fords though.Â* If Ford ponies up and helps with the
covid-19 crisis and with memories of them not taking a bail-out back
in 2009 like GM did, it may be enough for me to dump the Canyon and
buy a Ford something.


You'd trade in a perfectly good vehicle based on bull**** Trump is
spreading about GM?
Heh heh heh. You boyz are something else.

I just hit 40,000 miles in my Toyota Tacoma with absolutely no issues. I
did replace a battery and I get the 10,000 mile service done like
clockwork. Truck still looks new. Can't think of a reason to trade it in
on a new one, not even with the email offers I keep getting from the
dealer.



So? Because you can't think of a reason to trade it in, I can't?

You really are something else.



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On 3/28/2020 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
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The new Ford 150 looks like a super truck. My SIL got one through the company,
and he loves it.
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Can’t afford to buy new but would love to have one


I may change my mind when I start seriously looking.

A new vehicle every 3-4 years is one unnecessary
luxury I still afford myself though.

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On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:53:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/28/2020 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
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The new Ford 150 looks like a super truck. My SIL got one through the company,
and he loves it.
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Can’t afford to buy new but would love to have one


I may change my mind when I start seriously looking.

A new vehicle every 3-4 years is one unnecessary
luxury I still afford myself though.

And here I thought every 10-12 years was extravagant!
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On 3/28/2020 5:13 PM, John wrote:
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:53:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/28/2020 1:12 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
- show quoted text -
The new Ford 150 looks like a super truck. My SIL got one through the company,
and he loves it.
- show quoted text -“


Can’t afford to buy new but would love to have one


I may change my mind when I start seriously looking.

A new vehicle every 3-4 years is one unnecessary
luxury I still afford myself though.

And here I thought every 10-12 years was extravagant!

Well, it sorta sinks in when I realize that even a gas
powered truck today costs almost twice what our first
house cost when I left the Navy.

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