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Question for Fat Harry
Its Me Wrote in message:
On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:32:48 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. IF you have enough excessive headspace, and IF you get the round to fire, and IF the case pressure is sufficient, you can have the the case swell and/or split in that unsupported area. IF all the IF's add up perfectly. The most common symptoms are cratered or pushed back primers, rings around the base of the brass, or the brass rim being distorted. It's always a good idea to inspect your first fired casings of an outing, especially when you change loads or brands of ammo. No need to try to teach the Fat boy. He knows it all. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
#23
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Question for Fat Harry
On 8/2/18 5:29 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 8/2/18 3:17 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. I suppose all you gun fanciers are waiting for Fat Harry's learned response. Ask your limited experience buddies... What happens when excessive headspace makes the casing split, the gas in the chamber is not sealed, and the gas is vented into the breech. Define excessive, oh learned one. Excessive..."too much." Got it, imbecile? |
#24
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Question for Fat Harry
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/2/18 5:29 PM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 8/2/18 3:17 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. I suppose all you gun fanciers are waiting for Fat Harry's learned response. Ask your limited experience buddies... What happens when excessive headspace makes the casing split, the gas in the chamber is not sealed, and the gas is vented into the breech. Define excessive, oh learned one. Excessive..."too much." Got it, imbecile? It's no surprise that you can't express the acceptible variables in terms that are meaningful to your audience. You need to do more googleing and get more insight into the subject you pretend to know. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Question for Fat Harry
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:13:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/2/18 5:29 PM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 8/2/18 3:17 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. I suppose all you gun fanciers are waiting for Fat Harry's learned response. Ask your limited experience buddies... What happens when excessive headspace makes the casing split, the gas in the chamber is not sealed, and the gas is vented into the breech. Define excessive, oh learned one. Excessive..."too much." Got it, imbecile? When you look at the geometry, it is going to be pretty hard to get the headspace so far out of whack to cause a case rupture and still allow the firing pin to hit the primer. Obviously that will have to be a bottle neck cartridge because a straight case will not change the gap between brass and steel at all if they are set back too far. I have actually split cases when I was reloading with no particular drama anyway. That is why we wear eye protection. ;-) I had a .357 case split from the mouth almost all the way back to the rim when I went a little too far with the wrong kind of powder. (Bullseye). It was actually a load I read in a book (Cartridges of the World) but there must have been a typo or something. Lesson, always use a real reloading manual, not just an entertainment book written by a journalism major. |
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Question for Fat Harry
On 8/2/18 7:10 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 8/2/18 5:29 PM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 8/2/18 3:17 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. I suppose all you gun fanciers are waiting for Fat Harry's learned response. Ask your limited experience buddies... What happens when excessive headspace makes the casing split, the gas in the chamber is not sealed, and the gas is vented into the breech. Define excessive, oh learned one. Excessive..."too much." Got it, imbecile? It's no surprise that you can't express the acceptible variables in terms that are meaningful to your audience. You need to do more googleing and get more insight into the subject you pretend to know. Here's a URL for you...perhaps you'll understand a bit of it. https://is.gd/5K7EXk |
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Question for Fat Harry
On 8/2/18 7:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:13:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 5:29 PM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 8/2/18 3:17 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. I suppose all you gun fanciers are waiting for Fat Harry's learned response. Ask your limited experience buddies... What happens when excessive headspace makes the casing split, the gas in the chamber is not sealed, and the gas is vented into the breech. Define excessive, oh learned one. Excessive..."too much." Got it, imbecile? When you look at the geometry, it is going to be pretty hard to get the headspace so far out of whack to cause a case rupture and still allow the firing pin to hit the primer. Obviously that will have to be a bottle neck cartridge because a straight case will not change the gap between brass and steel at all if they are set back too far. I have actually split cases when I was reloading with no particular drama anyway. That is why we wear eye protection. ;-) I had a .357 case split from the mouth almost all the way back to the rim when I went a little too far with the wrong kind of powder. (Bullseye). It was actually a load I read in a book (Cartridges of the World) but there must have been a typo or something. Lesson, always use a real reloading manual, not just an entertainment book written by a journalism major. It's hard to think of a journalism major who has made himself/herself an expert in a field of interest to you who wouldn't know a lot more than you. But, then, you think yourself a Man for All Seasons and Reasons. |
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Question for Fat Harry
On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 5:34:10 PM UTC-4, justan wrote:
Its Me Wrote in message: On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:32:48 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. IF you have enough excessive headspace, and IF you get the round to fire, and IF the case pressure is sufficient, you can have the the case swell and/or split in that unsupported area. IF all the IF's add up perfectly. The most common symptoms are cratered or pushed back primers, rings around the base of the brass, or the brass rim being distorted. It's always a good idea to inspect your first fired casings of an outing, especially when you change loads or brands of ammo. No need to try to teach the Fat boy. He knows it all. Fat Boy has to hire his lawnmower service out, but thinks he has enough mechanical knowledge to check and set the headspace on firearms. Heh, Heh... |
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Question for Fat Harry
Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:32:48 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:43:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/2/18 11:25 AM, justan wrote: Its Me Wrote in message: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:41:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:02:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Hardest part was learning how to properly headspace a barrel. Do it wrong and possible kaboom. More like a failure to go into battery, causing a failure to fire or failure to extract, causing a double feed jam. He's talking about the AR-15 he "built", and there's really nothing to headspace on one. If the barrel and receiver are properly machined to spec, it has the proper headspace built into the design. When it becomes important is when you are fitting a more traditional barrel and receiver together, and are doing the machining yourself. Let's say you have a Mauser 98 action, and you're building a 30-06 with a Shaw barrel. Then you have to check and machine in the correct headspace, and even then it's not hard to do. Another fabricated Fat Harry story? Barrels in sporting rifles don't headspace themselves automatically, and it is worth taking a few minutes to check it. If JackOff wants to take the chance of a kaboom, it is fine with me. You still have not said where the kaboom comes from. If the headspace is too large the extractor might not grab the rim, causing a jam or the firing pin might not hit the primer, causing a misfire, worst case a hang fire but they are very rare with modern primers. If the headspace is too small the bolt won't close. No boom at all there. A bolt action usually will not shoot until the bolt is seated and a SA has a disconnector. IF you have enough excessive headspace, and IF you get the round to fire, and IF the case pressure is sufficient, you can have the the case swell and/or split in that unsupported area. IF all the IF's add up perfectly. The most common symptoms are cratered or pushed back primers, rings around the base of the brass, or the brass rim being distorted. It's always a good idea to inspect your first fired casings of an outing, especially when you change loads or brands of ammo. Would be more the angle for the shoulder. 5.56 will fire a .223, but the reverse is very much discouraged. |
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Question for Fat Harry
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:26:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
Here's a URL for you...perhaps you'll understand a bit of it. https://is.gd/5K7EXk I still did not see a "kaboom". |
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