On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 9:56:11 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 3:50:10 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:30:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:
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That just looks like another thing you use a few times and then have
to look for a place to store until you can put it in a garage sale.
......

Yes, like my wife’s automatic rice steamer. And her bread makers. Kitchen klutter.

I have to admit we bought an air fryer, and have actually used it more
than once. It's done a good job on everything we've tried so far. Not
interested in a (not so) instant pot.

We're doing a complete kitchen remodel starting in a couple of weeks.
Demo down to sheetrock and subfloors, all new custom cabinets, granite,
appliances, new prep sink in island (where one has never existed), new
hardwoods, etc. The kitchen will be down for at least 8 weeks.

The wife was nervous about about how to survive. We have a heated and
cooled utility room with a mud room sink in it downstairs off the
garage. Countertop and shelves beside the sink, and refrigerator w/ice
maker and deep freeze also in the room. That's food storage and prep,
pots/pans and utensil cleanup and storage.

Have a gas grill with side burner, pellet grill (smoker/wood fired
convection oven), coleman 2 burner LP camp stove, evil Santa gift
electric griddle still in the box, air fryer, toaster oven, and microwave.

It will be an adventure, but I think we'll make it.

When we tore up the indoor kitchen we had our oven on a furniture
dolly out in the screen cage for about a month running on an extension
cord, until I got the country kitchen done outside. The oven has not
been inside since then. I lived on the gas grill and side burner until
I got a cook top installed inside. I was using a temporary plywood
counter until the metal fabricator got done with that stainless
counter top where the sink and cook top sit. I already had my cabinets
on site so most of the kitchen went pretty fast. The plumbing did not
change much but there was fairly extensive electrical, getting me
plenty of circuits and receptacles serving the counter tops.


Our contractor did not start ripping, until the cabinets were in the
garage, and the appliances were at the stores warehouse. We have a really
nice wet bar in a family room, so we had a sinks, and an electric skillet
on the bar top. Plus a bbq and side burner. We were only down about 3
weeks, a few days of that was waiting for the city inspectors,

Yeah, I'm questioning the time frame a bit, but we have a few more moving parts. The cabinets are being built before the demo starts and the appliances are already ordered, but we also have the flooring guys that have to do demo on the tile after the cabinet/general guys do their demo thing, then the cabinet guys have to have everything roughed in for the granite guy to take his measurements, then the cabinet/granite/tile/electrical/plumbing guys have to have all their stuff completely done for the floor guys to even start to lay hardwood (finished in place to match the rest of the hardwood), then the appliance guys to install while the stair guy installs new wrought iron balusters. Plus cleanup and inspections.

Three weeks ain't gonna cut it.

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 20:19:56 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 9:56:11 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 3:50:10 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:30:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:
- show quoted text -
That just looks like another thing you use a few times and then have
to look for a place to store until you can put it in a garage sale.
......

Yes, like my wife’s automatic rice steamer. And her bread makers. Kitchen klutter.

I have to admit we bought an air fryer, and have actually used it more
than once. It's done a good job on everything we've tried so far. Not
interested in a (not so) instant pot.

We're doing a complete kitchen remodel starting in a couple of weeks.
Demo down to sheetrock and subfloors, all new custom cabinets, granite,
appliances, new prep sink in island (where one has never existed), new
hardwoods, etc. The kitchen will be down for at least 8 weeks.

The wife was nervous about about how to survive. We have a heated and
cooled utility room with a mud room sink in it downstairs off the
garage. Countertop and shelves beside the sink, and refrigerator w/ice
maker and deep freeze also in the room. That's food storage and prep,
pots/pans and utensil cleanup and storage.

Have a gas grill with side burner, pellet grill (smoker/wood fired
convection oven), coleman 2 burner LP camp stove, evil Santa gift
electric griddle still in the box, air fryer, toaster oven, and microwave.

It will be an adventure, but I think we'll make it.

When we tore up the indoor kitchen we had our oven on a furniture
dolly out in the screen cage for about a month running on an extension
cord, until I got the country kitchen done outside. The oven has not
been inside since then. I lived on the gas grill and side burner until
I got a cook top installed inside. I was using a temporary plywood
counter until the metal fabricator got done with that stainless
counter top where the sink and cook top sit. I already had my cabinets
on site so most of the kitchen went pretty fast. The plumbing did not
change much but there was fairly extensive electrical, getting me
plenty of circuits and receptacles serving the counter tops.


Our contractor did not start ripping, until the cabinets were in the
garage, and the appliances were at the stores warehouse. We have a really
nice wet bar in a family room, so we had a sinks, and an electric skillet
on the bar top. Plus a bbq and side burner. We were only down about 3
weeks, a few days of that was waiting for the city inspectors,

Yeah, I'm questioning the time frame a bit, but we have a few more moving parts. The cabinets are being built before the demo starts and the appliances are already ordered, but we also have the flooring guys that have to do demo on the tile after the cabinet/general guys do their demo thing, then the cabinet guys have to have
everything roughed in for the granite guy to take his measurements, then the cabinet/granite/tile/electrical/plumbing guys have to have all their stuff completely done for the floor guys to even start to lay hardwood (finished in place to match the rest of the hardwood), then the appliance guys to install while the stair guy
installs new wrought iron balusters. Plus cleanup and inspections.

Three weeks ain't gonna cut it.

The floor guys could really start as soon as the cabinets are set and
certainly while you are waiting for the granite guys. The plumbing and
electrical roughs will really depend on what has to happen for that
island but I assume you are trenching the floor if you are built at
grade. If you are doing that, put in an extra conduit out to an
accessible place. You never know and it is easy then. The wall roughs
happen before the drywall, pretty much the first thing that happens
after framing and before they set cabinets. Electrical and plumbing
trim out is usually right at the end.
You probably have a partial rough before the drywall goes up and maybe
another island rough. Then you should be good until the finals based
on how it works here. Basically they want to see everything you are
covering up before it is covered up.

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 1:08:00 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 20:19:56 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 9:56:11 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 3:50:10 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:30:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:
- show quoted text -
That just looks like another thing you use a few times and then have
to look for a place to store until you can put it in a garage sale..
......

Yes, like my wife’s automatic rice steamer. And her bread makers. Kitchen klutter.

I have to admit we bought an air fryer, and have actually used it more
than once. It's done a good job on everything we've tried so far. Not
interested in a (not so) instant pot.

We're doing a complete kitchen remodel starting in a couple of weeks.
Demo down to sheetrock and subfloors, all new custom cabinets, granite,
appliances, new prep sink in island (where one has never existed), new
hardwoods, etc. The kitchen will be down for at least 8 weeks.

The wife was nervous about about how to survive. We have a heated and
cooled utility room with a mud room sink in it downstairs off the
garage. Countertop and shelves beside the sink, and refrigerator w/ice
maker and deep freeze also in the room. That's food storage and prep,
pots/pans and utensil cleanup and storage.

Have a gas grill with side burner, pellet grill (smoker/wood fired
convection oven), coleman 2 burner LP camp stove, evil Santa gift
electric griddle still in the box, air fryer, toaster oven, and microwave.

It will be an adventure, but I think we'll make it.

When we tore up the indoor kitchen we had our oven on a furniture
dolly out in the screen cage for about a month running on an extension
cord, until I got the country kitchen done outside. The oven has not
been inside since then. I lived on the gas grill and side burner until
I got a cook top installed inside. I was using a temporary plywood
counter until the metal fabricator got done with that stainless
counter top where the sink and cook top sit. I already had my cabinets
on site so most of the kitchen went pretty fast. The plumbing did not
change much but there was fairly extensive electrical, getting me
plenty of circuits and receptacles serving the counter tops.


Our contractor did not start ripping, until the cabinets were in the
garage, and the appliances were at the stores warehouse. We have a really
nice wet bar in a family room, so we had a sinks, and an electric skillet
on the bar top. Plus a bbq and side burner. We were only down about 3
weeks, a few days of that was waiting for the city inspectors,

Yeah, I'm questioning the time frame a bit, but we have a few more moving parts. The cabinets are being built before the demo starts and the appliances are already ordered, but we also have the flooring guys that have to do demo on the tile after the cabinet/general guys do their demo thing, then the cabinet guys have to have
everything roughed in for the granite guy to take his measurements, then the cabinet/granite/tile/electrical/plumbing guys have to have all their stuff completely done for the floor guys to even start to lay hardwood (finished in place to match the rest of the hardwood), then the appliance guys to install while the stair guy
installs new wrought iron balusters. Plus cleanup and inspections.

Three weeks ain't gonna cut it.

The floor guys could really start as soon as the cabinets are set and
certainly while you are waiting for the granite guys.

There is already hardwood in the rest of this level, so they will be installing matching in the kitchen and sun porch and then sanding and refinishing the entire level. They want all work complete and all workers gone so no one is walking over their work.

The plumbing and
electrical roughs will really depend on what has to happen for that
island but I assume you are trenching the floor if you are built at
grade.

It's on the first floor, but the house is built on a slope so there's a garage and utility room underneath, and it's a crawl space house. Easy access to plumbing and electrical.

I think they are padding their timeline, but that's OK.

Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 9:56:11 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 3:50:10 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:30:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:
- show quoted text -
That just looks like another thing you use a few times and then have
to look for a place to store until you can put it in a garage sale.
......

Yes, like my wife’s automatic rice steamer. And her bread makers. Kitchen klutter.

I have to admit we bought an air fryer, and have actually used it more
than once. It's done a good job on everything we've tried so far. Not
interested in a (not so) instant pot.

We're doing a complete kitchen remodel starting in a couple of weeks.
Demo down to sheetrock and subfloors, all new custom cabinets, granite,
appliances, new prep sink in island (where one has never existed), new
hardwoods, etc. The kitchen will be down for at least 8 weeks.

The wife was nervous about about how to survive. We have a heated and
cooled utility room with a mud room sink in it downstairs off the
garage. Countertop and shelves beside the sink, and refrigerator w/ice
maker and deep freeze also in the room. That's food storage and prep,
pots/pans and utensil cleanup and storage.

Have a gas grill with side burner, pellet grill (smoker/wood fired
convection oven), coleman 2 burner LP camp stove, evil Santa gift
electric griddle still in the box, air fryer, toaster oven, and microwave.

It will be an adventure, but I think we'll make it.

When we tore up the indoor kitchen we had our oven on a furniture
dolly out in the screen cage for about a month running on an extension
cord, until I got the country kitchen done outside. The oven has not
been inside since then. I lived on the gas grill and side burner until
I got a cook top installed inside. I was using a temporary plywood
counter until the metal fabricator got done with that stainless
counter top where the sink and cook top sit. I already had my cabinets
on site so most of the kitchen went pretty fast. The plumbing did not
change much but there was fairly extensive electrical, getting me
plenty of circuits and receptacles serving the counter tops.


Our contractor did not start ripping, until the cabinets were in the
garage, and the appliances were at the stores warehouse. We have a really
nice wet bar in a family room, so we had a sinks, and an electric skillet
on the bar top. Plus a bbq and side burner. We were only down about 3
weeks, a few days of that was waiting for the city inspectors,

Yeah, I'm questioning the time frame a bit, but we have a few more moving
parts. The cabinets are being built before the demo starts and the
appliances are already ordered, but we also have the flooring guys that
have to do demo on the tile after the cabinet/general guys do their demo
thing, then the cabinet guys have to have everything roughed in for the
granite guy to take his measurements, then the
cabinet/granite/tile/electrical/plumbing guys have to have all their
stuff completely done for the floor guys to even start to lay hardwood
(finished in place to match the rest of the hardwood), then the appliance
guys to install while the stair guy installs new wrought iron balusters.
Plus cleanup and inspections.

Three weeks ain't gonna cut it.



The demolition was about 1/2 day. That included removing a soffit
ceiling. The flooring was sheet vinyl at the time. I forget what we went
with, but since have hickory flooring. The 3 weeks included replacing two
8’ sliding doors. Our contractor was very organized. Reminds me of the
contractor that has done highway jobs for CalTrans. A truck burned and
destroyed the integrity of part of the overpass in what is call3d the
Cypress Maze. Is the multi tier overpass on the Oakland side of the Bay
Bridge. Estimates were 3 months to repair. He did it in a couple weeks.
All the subcontractors were lined up,and they were building new on one
end while demoing on the other end. Same guy did the overpasses in Los
Angeles after their quake. Gets a bonus for everyday under the contract
time.