On 2/22/2018 4:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:02:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:24:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 12:33 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:45:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

How many schools have had innocent children killed with bare hands or feet?

Again you are just talking about what makes the news. During that same
5 year period tens of thousands of black "kids" were killed with
handguns.
BTW do you really think that if there were no AR 15s, there would be
no more school shootings? It is just that this is the most popular
rifle sold here.
And what happened to all of those AK-47s that were going to kill us
all 20 years ago? Do you think they disappeared? There are around 4-5
million of them here, 2 million added to the inventory during the
phony "ban" ("loophole" guns with a thumbhole stock). The AR people
just had a better marketing campaign and it is actually a superior
firearm. Once people got over all the myths and nam stories and got
those AKs in their hands they figured out they were **** but they can
still get a lot of lead downrange very fast.

I also noticed Columbine was not on your list. Those boys used 9mms (a
Tec 9 and a "tactical" rifle like Harry's) and shotguns.



The source of the data I posted was specifically related to AR-15 type
weapons.


... and you ignored the ones that did not fit your rant. Are you sure
you are not a Democrat?



No Greg. I simply searched for what type of firearm is used most often
in these mass shootings. The answer is the AK-15 look a-likes.

Question for you and I don't mean to be personal so no need to answer if
you don't want to. I can't remember. Do you have kids?

A daughter and yes I kept my guns locked up. In Maryland, no kids I
bet my ex still has her 1100 under the bed and loaded with 6.


Thanks. Personally I am disturbed whenever people are gunned down but
the ones where innocent children are killed like last week and at Sandy
Hook are particularly difficult for me to say, "oh well, nothing can be
done".

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:38:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:08:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Who is going to stop them?

Any law officer who sees the kid in possession of the handgun or other illegal firearm.

How has that been working so far?

Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you?

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a
15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her
parent's permission.


If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at
any age? Who is going to stop them?
I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22
for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed
down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold
ammo at the 7-11.


Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense
of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns.


You're obviously not from any of Harry's 'flyover' states. I had a single shot .22 when I was ten,
and got a Marlin lever action .22 in the eighth grade.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:24:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 12:33 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:45:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

How many schools have had innocent children killed with bare hands or feet?

Again you are just talking about what makes the news. During that same
5 year period tens of thousands of black "kids" were killed with
handguns.
BTW do you really think that if there were no AR 15s, there would be
no more school shootings? It is just that this is the most popular
rifle sold here.
And what happened to all of those AK-47s that were going to kill us
all 20 years ago? Do you think they disappeared? There are around 4-5
million of them here, 2 million added to the inventory during the
phony "ban" ("loophole" guns with a thumbhole stock). The AR people
just had a better marketing campaign and it is actually a superior
firearm. Once people got over all the myths and nam stories and got
those AKs in their hands they figured out they were **** but they can
still get a lot of lead downrange very fast.

I also noticed Columbine was not on your list. Those boys used 9mms (a
Tec 9 and a "tactical" rifle like Harry's) and shotguns.



The source of the data I posted was specifically related to AR-15 type
weapons.


... and you ignored the ones that did not fit your rant. Are you sure
you are not a Democrat?



No Greg. I simply searched for what type of firearm is used most often
in these mass shootings. The answer is the AK-15 look a-likes.

Question for you and I don't mean to be personal so no need to answer if
you don't want to. I can't remember. Do you have kids?






Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high
capacity magazines available.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:12:19 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/22/18 9:50 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
On 2/21/18 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:52:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



My hunter friends have told me it that in .223/5.56, it is a "lousy
choice" for a hunting rifle, especially in wooded/brush country.
.....

Well, the Vietnamese nickname for the m-16. It was called “Black Death” for some odd reason. Then again maybe it wasn’t used in the jungles, no?


Are you aware of the reported number of rounds fired in those M-16's
compared to the number of hits? I don't recall the exact number of
rounds, but it was very, very high.

If you'd spent any time in-country, you'd understand why.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a
15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her
parent's permission.


If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at
any age? Who is going to stop them?
I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22
for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed
down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold
ammo at the 7-11.


Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense
of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns.


That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that.
In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before
they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county.
Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s
I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods
all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and
Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now
and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles
contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the
interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210
but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there,
pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there
was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland.
The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel
down there right now.



There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've
lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in
Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was
surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land.

I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to
have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no.



===

I grew up in a semi-rural area of upstate NY and many of my friends
had their own 22s and/or shot guns. Not one was ever injured or
involved in any gun related incident.

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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:11:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:25:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Here's a weird one. In Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states, a
15 year old can legally purchase and own a long gun with his/her
parent's permission.


If the parents are OK with it, can't a kid have any gun they want at
any age? Who is going to stop them?
I had my first shotgun at 14-15 when I started to hunt but I had a .22
for years before that. I suppose technically it was my dad's, handed
down from my grandfather but I had free access to it and they sold
ammo at the 7-11.


Fortunately, most parents I know personally have more smarts and a sense
of responsibility to allow their kids at any minor age to own guns.


That is Acela corridor thinking again and big city thinking at that.
In the early 60s hunting was a thing most of my friends did before
they could drive and this was just outside of DC in PG county.
Like I said, the 7-11 sold shotgun shells and .22s
I am sure that sounds strange today but you could walk in the woods
all the way from the DC line behind Eastover shopping center and
Forest Heights to the river, down past where National Harbor is now
and never see a thing but woods. That was 4 or 5 square miles
contiguous with the woods behind my house before they built the
interstate. Typically we did not really do much hunting east of 210
but there were some good quail and rabbit fields before you got there,
pretty much where the right of way for I-495 is now. West of 210 there
was just about anything you could expect to find in Maryland.
The strange thing is there is still a pretty big undeveloped parcel
down there right now.



There are plenty people who hunt in Massachusetts and the areas we've
lived in are probably more heavily wooded than your experience in
Maryland. The last house I lived in with my parents as a kid was
surrounded by tens of thousands of acres of woods and undeveloped land.

I still don't know of any parent I know who would allow a minor child to
have his/her very own gun. BB guns, yes. Firearms ... no.

Different place, different culture I guess. Kids from the south and
the west grew up with guns. My dad grew up in Oklahoma.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:16:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 4:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:02:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:24:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 12:33 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:45:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

How many schools have had innocent children killed with bare hands or feet?

Again you are just talking about what makes the news. During that same
5 year period tens of thousands of black "kids" were killed with
handguns.
BTW do you really think that if there were no AR 15s, there would be
no more school shootings? It is just that this is the most popular
rifle sold here.
And what happened to all of those AK-47s that were going to kill us
all 20 years ago? Do you think they disappeared? There are around 4-5
million of them here, 2 million added to the inventory during the
phony "ban" ("loophole" guns with a thumbhole stock). The AR people
just had a better marketing campaign and it is actually a superior
firearm. Once people got over all the myths and nam stories and got
those AKs in their hands they figured out they were **** but they can
still get a lot of lead downrange very fast.

I also noticed Columbine was not on your list. Those boys used 9mms (a
Tec 9 and a "tactical" rifle like Harry's) and shotguns.



The source of the data I posted was specifically related to AR-15 type
weapons.


... and you ignored the ones that did not fit your rant. Are you sure
you are not a Democrat?



No Greg. I simply searched for what type of firearm is used most often
in these mass shootings. The answer is the AK-15 look a-likes.

Question for you and I don't mean to be personal so no need to answer if
you don't want to. I can't remember. Do you have kids?

A daughter and yes I kept my guns locked up. In Maryland, no kids I
bet my ex still has her 1100 under the bed and loaded with 6.


Thanks. Personally I am disturbed whenever people are gunned down but
the ones where innocent children are killed like last week and at Sandy
Hook are particularly difficult for me to say, "oh well, nothing can be
done".

When kids die in cars do you want to ban cars or do you want to look
at the real cause of the wreck?
It is like blaming Ryder rental trucks for the bombing of the WTC in
93 and the Murrah building.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:37:39 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:38:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:08:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Who is going to stop them?

Any law officer who sees the kid in possession of the handgun or other illegal firearm.

How has that been working so far?

Well, you don't see many kids walking around with handguns, do you?

There seem to be plenty of them in Baltimore, Detroit and Chicago..
That is the point of a handgun, you can't see people walking around
with them.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high
capacity magazines available.

It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine
where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers.