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Kids Say the Darndest Things
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:07:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:31 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:17:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 11:44 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Maybe the fact that the military look alike weapons have extremely high capacity magazines available. It is pretty hard to find any kind of gun with a detachable magazine where they don't have big ones. It is certainly true of the Rugers. Try to legally buy one in Massachusetts. If you showed up at a range with one the range safety officer would confiscate it and escort you from the range ... at least they would at the club I belonged to. We aren't talking about the range tho are we. It doesn't matter where you are. Cops catch you out "hunting" or shooting in the woods with a magazine in excess of 10 round capacity you will loose it, the gun and your permit to have one. That is just you and maybe Bill. Even the formally Free State of Maryland, Harry can have a 50 round magazine that he bought in Virginia. We do not need a permit to own a firearm. We are limited to 10round mags on any rifle. You still have a banned list tho don't you? Yup. As you say, does not really make sense. S&W M&P AR with bullet button is legal. But if you had, I think, a flash suppressor added, is now illegal. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge made it mandatory 20 years. I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would qualify. CCW course would qualify. I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety, how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc. The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five figures for the comprehensive courses. I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in 99% tactical. I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most things government mandated they just tend to be superficial. It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80 years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that. Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead. The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the minimum course required for a permit. My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went 2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month. The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose that is why it is so heavy on the law. The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with police, what to say and what not to say. I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range. |
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#144
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:46:21 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:03:42 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 12:03 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:17:42 -0500, John H. wrote: I could see making an exception for an individual who has a DD 214 with the honorable discharge I would grant that exception to anything that has an age limit on it. Charles Whitman was honorably discharged from the Marines. Lee Harvey Oswald received a hardship discharge from the Marines. Timothy McVeigh was honorably discharged from the Army. Obviously, an honorable discharge wouldn't catch all the deviants. But how many of them used the weapons under discussion to shoot kids in the schools under discussion? Well Whitman used a rifle to shoot students but it was a bolt action, as was Oswald's., McVeigh didn't use a gun at all and racked up a much higher death count. I am not really sure what point they are making in an AR 15 rant. It really sounds more like my argument that banning ARs is pretty meaningless. |
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#145
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge made it mandatory 20 years. I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would qualify. CCW course would qualify. I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety, how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc. The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five figures for the comprehensive courses. I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in 99% tactical. I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most things government mandated they just tend to be superficial. It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80 years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that. Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead. The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the minimum course required for a permit. My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went 2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month. The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose that is why it is so heavy on the law. The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with police, what to say and what not to say. I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range. That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or the marines. |
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#146
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Kids Say the Darndest Things
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge made it mandatory 20 years. I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would qualify. CCW course would qualify. I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety, how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc. The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five figures for the comprehensive courses. I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in 99% tactical. I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most things government mandated they just tend to be superficial. It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80 years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that. Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead. The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the minimum course required for a permit. My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went 2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month. The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose that is why it is so heavy on the law. The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with police, what to say and what not to say. I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range. That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or the marines. Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later. |
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#147
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Kids Say the Darndest Things
On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge made it mandatory 20 years. I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would qualify. CCW course would qualify. I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety, how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc. The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five figures for the comprehensive courses. I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in 99% tactical. I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most things government mandated they just tend to be superficial. It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80 years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that. Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead. The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the minimum course required for a permit. My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went 2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month. The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose that is why it is so heavy on the law. The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with police, what to say and what not to say. I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range. That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or the marines. Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later. Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later. The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea. We got to try just about everything in the small arms locker. Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms even in basic training. |
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#148
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:43:52 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:46:21 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:03:42 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 12:03 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:17:42 -0500, John H. wrote: I could see making an exception for an individual who has a DD 214 with the honorable discharge I would grant that exception to anything that has an age limit on it. Charles Whitman was honorably discharged from the Marines. Lee Harvey Oswald received a hardship discharge from the Marines. Timothy McVeigh was honorably discharged from the Army. Obviously, an honorable discharge wouldn't catch all the deviants. But how many of them used the weapons under discussion to shoot kids in the schools under discussion? Well Whitman used a rifle to shoot students but it was a bolt action, as was Oswald's., McVeigh didn't use a gun at all and racked up a much higher death count. I am not really sure what point they are making in an AR 15 rant. It really sounds more like my argument that banning ARs is pretty meaningless. Ask Harry. It was his rant against an honorable discharge. |
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#149
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:59:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge made it mandatory 20 years. I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would qualify. CCW course would qualify. I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety, how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc. The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five figures for the comprehensive courses. I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in 99% tactical. I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most things government mandated they just tend to be superficial. It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80 years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that. Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead. The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the minimum course required for a permit. My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went 2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month. The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose that is why it is so heavy on the law. The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with police, what to say and what not to say. I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range. That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or the marines. Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later. Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later. The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea. We got to try just about everything in the small arms locker. Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms even in basic training. We spent a lot of time in the classroom and a lot of time on the range. The range was a several mile walk from the barracks, so we did get our exercise. This was at Fort Leonard Wood, MO. |
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#150
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On 2/25/18 6:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: I don't read it that way. He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising number of deaths in young people is alarming. "We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle." He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings. Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think. Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a gun safety certificate.Â*Â* Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in a bunch of states Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge made it mandatory 20 years. I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a firearm.Â*Â* Military service would qualify.Â*Â* Hunter safety course would qualify.Â*Â* CCW course would qualify. I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety, how to carry your weapon,Â* how to secure your weapon etc. The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five figures for the comprehensive courses. I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in 99% tactical. I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most things government mandated they just tend to be superficial. It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80 years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that. Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead. The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on the range.Â* That's it.Â* Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the minimum course required for a permit. My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before they moved to SC.Â* I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went 2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month. The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose that is why it is so heavy on the law. The one I had was a retired cop.Â* He got his NRA certification and teaches the course as a part-time retirement job.Â* His course was sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with police, what to say and what not to say. I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training.Â*Â* We had maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range. That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or the marines. Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking down the weapon and a day at the range.Â* If you were going to posted in a shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later. Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later. The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea.Â* We got to try just about everything in the small arms locker. Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms evenÂ* in basic training. How extensive? |
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