On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 10:07:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/17/2017 9:02 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

That's *your* interpretation of what an "evangelical" is. I've been
exposed to several denominations, from Catholicism and Episcopalian to
Lutheranism and several Baptist sub-denominations. Even explored
Judaism a bit. Never heard a call to recruit in any of them.

It is a lot more bible belty here than in Maryland where Harry lives
and the only people who ever solicit me are the occasional Jehovah's
Witnesses who knocks on my door and hands me a tract.

On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:21 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:45 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:02:25 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
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They're not and they wouldn't be. Moronic posit on your part.
.....

So,you simply can’t handle a hypothetical question ?


I’m not into christian absurdities

You prefer atheist absurdities


What might those be?

I would start with how a stone in front of a court house in Alabama
can insult you so badly. Have you ever seen it. Did they tie you up,
blindfold you and fly you there, then force you to look at it?




I am offended by Moore's pushing religion in a country that was founded
on the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, in a nation
declared to be neutral on matters of belief. Imposition by the
government of religion or religious practices is repugnant. I am
surprised that you, as a professed libertarian, is in favor of
state-supported religion.

Mind you, I have no particular bone to pick with the 10 commandments,
per se, other than my belief that the state, as it were, should not be
in the business of advertising them. That means on public grounds, in
public schools, in public facilities.


The country was not founded on the right to not be religious teachings.
Only that the government could not have a STATE religion. All religions
had the right to practice.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:02 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 5:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/16/2017 9:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:07:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 5:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:47:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 2:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text


I don't know what is wrong with you conservative evangelicals.
Your
brethren in Alabama supported a pedophile running for the U.S.
Senate, a
man who was excluded from a shopping mall because as a grown
man he was
annoying and trying to pick up for sex little girls. Trump
supported
him, too.

—-
If the “Christian evangelicals� had supported Hillary, they’d
have your aproval. You’d probably want a few in her cabinate.


Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.


===

You'd certainly get a lot of support for that position in Islamic
countries.Â* InÂ* fact I think it's already illegal in most.Â* How
do you
feel about Sharia law?




D'uh. I am agnostic. I have no use for religion.

===

That would be enough to get you stoned to death in many parts of
Pakistan.Â* I'm sure we could round up support for buying you a
vacation package.


Interestingly, that's what many christian evangelists "leaders" say in
this country about people here who do not share their superstitions.
Fascinating, isn't it, that religious conservatives have so much in
common.

I can't think of a democrat president in my life time who did not
embrace those superstitions on the campaign trail. Carter was a
baptist deacon and milked that cow on all 4 tits.



Carter is disgusted with the evangelical christian movement and
walked away from it nearly 20 years ago because, among other reasons,
of the way it mistreated women


It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087



You are misinterpreting the chart you provided in your URL. Evangelicals
are much more than a denomination and in fact pollute many denominations.

According to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Study,
evangelical protestants comprise the largest religious group in the
united states:

http://pewrsr.ch/1cpBNNW


That's *your* interpretation of what an "evangelical" is. I've been
exposed to several denominations, from Catholicism and Episcopalian to
Lutheranism and several Baptist sub-denominations. Even explored
Judaism a bit. Never heard a call to recruit in any of them.


I am married to a Catholic, never been forced to choose a religion.
Pretty much agnostic.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of
study in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your
helter-skelter education has given you little more than blinders and
an intellectually terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to
seek perfection in humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions
and own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study?Â* Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?


D'oh. No. It could be a series of courses put together with a
reading/study syllabus that exposes you to the great and not so great
thinkers and writers in a field in a progressive way, for example, that
helps you better understand how it evolved, the how and why the field
changed, who changed it, what got discarded, what got included. This is
somewhat more involved than reading a couple of usenet articles and
saying you therefore understand the history of democracy.


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


Maybe if the academics practiced that and kept their beliefs out of schools
and tax dollar public policy we would be more accommodating.

On 12/17/17 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:27:21 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Let's try this again:

My comment was that the Jews do not go looking for converts, nor do most
orthodox, conservative, or reform jews evangelize. Are you claiming the
Israelis are converting Muslims to Judaism?

That was not the issue. You said you did not like the idea of state
religions. I also bet the Muslims in Israel will tell you they are
second class citizens. Separate but equal is now OK with you?



There is no state religion in Israel:

Secularism on the Edge: Rethinking Church-State Relations in the United
States, France, and Israel. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 167–169.
ISBN 978-1-137-38115-6. "The compromise, therefore, was to choose
constructive ambiguity: as surprising as it may seem, there is no law
that declares Judaism the official religion of Israel. However, there is
no other law that declares Israel's neutrality toward all confessions.
Judaism is not recognized as the official religion of the state, and
even though the Jewish, Muslim and Christian clergy receive their
salaries from the state, this fact does not make Israel a neutral state.
This apparent pluralism cannot dissimulate the fact that Israel displays
a clear and undoubtedly hierarchical pluralism in religious matters. ...
It is important to note that from a multicultural point of view, this
self-restrained secularism allows Muslim law to be practiced in Israel
for personal matters of the Muslim community. As surprising as it seems,
if not paradoxical for a state in war, Israel is the only Western
democratic country in which Sharia enjoys such an official status."

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:53:48 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

I never said the were injecting their "religious" beliefs into public policy, ****-for-brains. Just their beliefs. Got it now?

What an idiot you are. And on purpose.

On 12/17/2017 12:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


"One Nation, under God ...."

On 12/17/2017 12:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.


But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their
beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your
beliefs.Â* Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.


He didn't say "religious" beliefs.