On 12/17/17 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of
study in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your
helter-skelter education has given you little more than blinders and
an intellectually terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to
seek perfection in humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions
and own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study?Â* Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?


D'oh. No. It could be a series of courses put together with a
reading/study syllabus that exposes you to the great and not so great
thinkers and writers in a field in a progressive way, for example, that
helps you better understand how it evolved, the how and why the field
changed, who changed it, what got discarded, what got included. This is
somewhat more involved than reading a couple of usenet articles and
saying you therefore understand the history of democracy.

On 12/17/17 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 11:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 10:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:02 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 5:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/16/2017 9:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:07:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 5:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:47:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 2:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text


I don't know what is wrong with you conservative
evangelicals. Your
brethren in Alabama supported a pedophile running for the
U.S. Senate, a
man who was excluded from a shopping mall because as a
grown man he was
annoying and trying to pick up for sex little girls. Trump
supported
him, too.

—-
If the “Christian evangelicals� had supported Hillary,
they’d have your aproval. You’d probably want a few in her
cabinate.


Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In
fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.


===

You'd certainly get a lot of support for that position in
Islamic
countries.Â* InÂ* fact I think it's already illegal in most.
How do you
feel about Sharia law?




D'uh. I am agnostic. I have no use for religion.

===

That would be enough to get you stoned to death in many parts of
Pakistan.Â* I'm sure we could round up support for buying you a
vacation package.


Interestingly, that's what many christian evangelists "leaders"
say in
this country about people here who do not share their
superstitions.
Fascinating, isn't it, that religious conservatives have so much
in common.

I can't think of a democrat president in my life time who did not
embrace those superstitions on the campaign trail. Carter was a
baptist deacon and milked that cow on all 4 tits.



Carter is disgusted with the evangelical christian movement and
walked away from it nearly 20 years ago because, among other
reasons, of the way it mistreated women


It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity
in the United States you focus on one of the smallest
...evangelical ... with your complaints about shoving religion down
your throat. Of the others, I don't know of any that purposely go
out and try to convert anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've
never heard of it or experienced it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087



You are misinterpreting the chart you provided in your URL.
Evangelicals are much more than a denomination and in fact pollute
many denominations.

According to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Study,
evangelical protestants comprise the largest religious group in the
united states:

http://pewrsr.ch/1cpBNNW


That's *your* interpretation of what an "evangelical" is.Â* I've been
exposed to several denominations, from Catholicism and Episcopalian
to Lutheranism and several Baptist sub-denominations.Â* Even explored
Judaism a bit.Â* Never heard a call to recruit in any of them.


You are confusing evangelical and proselytizer. They are not the same,
though there can be overlap. A well-disciplined course of study in
comparative religions might have enlightened you.


Why would I possibly be interested in a "well-disciplined" course of
study in comparative religions?

I was ordained on the Internet.Â* :-)




Yeah, it shows.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:18:48 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 12/17/17 10:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...” bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of
study in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your
helter-skelter education has given you little more than blinders and
an intellectually terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to
seek perfection in humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions
and own businesses.


What the hell is a "disciplined" course of study?* Is that when you are
taught *what* to believe and *what* to think?


D'oh. No. It could be a series of courses put together with a
reading/study syllabus that exposes you to the great and not so great
thinkers and writers in a field in a progressive way, for example, that
helps you better understand how it evolved, the how and why the field
changed, who changed it, what got discarded, what got included. This is
somewhat more involved than reading a couple of usenet articles and
saying you therefore understand the history of democracy.


I was right.

You're no more than a f'ing blowhard, Krause.

On 12/17/2017 11:20 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 11:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 10:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 9:02 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 5:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/16/2017 9:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:07:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 5:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:47:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 12/16/17 2:21 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text


I don't know what is wrong with you conservative
evangelicals. Your
brethren in Alabama supported a pedophile running for the
U.S. Senate, a
man who was excluded from a shopping mall because as a
grown man he was
annoying and trying to pick up for sex little girls. Trump
supported
him, too.

—-
If the “Christian evangelicals� had supported Hillary,
they’d have your aproval. You’d probably want a few in her
cabinate.


Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the
christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In
fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.


===

You'd certainly get a lot of support for that position in
Islamic
countries.Â* InÂ* fact I think it's already illegal in most.
How do you
feel about Sharia law?




D'uh. I am agnostic. I have no use for religion.

===

That would be enough to get you stoned to death in many parts of
Pakistan.Â* I'm sure we could round up support for buying you a
vacation package.


Interestingly, that's what many christian evangelists "leaders"
say in
this country about people here who do not share their
superstitions.
Fascinating, isn't it, that religious conservatives have so
much in common.

I can't think of a democrat president in my life time who did not
embrace those superstitions on the campaign trail. Carter was a
baptist deacon and milked that cow on all 4 tits.



Carter is disgusted with the evangelical christian movement and
walked away from it nearly 20 years ago because, among other
reasons, of the way it mistreated women


It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of
Christianity in the United States you focus on one of the smallest
...evangelical ... with your complaints about shoving religion
down your throat. Of the others, I don't know of any that
purposely go out and try to convert anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few
but I've never heard of it or experienced it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087



You are misinterpreting the chart you provided in your URL.
Evangelicals are much more than a denomination and in fact pollute
many denominations.

According to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Study,
evangelical protestants comprise the largest religious group in the
united states:

http://pewrsr.ch/1cpBNNW


That's *your* interpretation of what an "evangelical" is.Â* I've been
exposed to several denominations, from Catholicism and Episcopalian
to Lutheranism and several Baptist sub-denominations.Â* Even explored
Judaism a bit.Â* Never heard a call to recruit in any of them.


You are confusing evangelical and proselytizer. They are not the
same, though there can be overlap. A well-disciplined course of study
in comparative religions might have enlightened you.


Why would I possibly be interested in a "well-disciplined" course of
study in comparative religions?

I was ordained on the Internet.Â* :-)




Yeah, it shows.

According to you, so were you.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:11:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of study
in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your helter-skelter
education has given you little more than blinders and an intellectually
terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to seek perfection in
humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.


If you went to a college that never encouraged "what if" you wasted
your money. You certainly can't say you gained any critical thinking
skills. You just go in lock step with what is and never ask what
things could be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions and
own businesses.

"Separate but equal" That is BS

On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs. Funny how that works, eh?

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:27:21 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Let's try this again:

My comment was that the Jews do not go looking for converts, nor do most
orthodox, conservative, or reform jews evangelize. Are you claiming the
Israelis are converting Muslims to Judaism?

That was not the issue. You said you did not like the idea of state
religions. I also bet the Muslims in Israel will tell you they are
second class citizens. Separate but equal is now OK with you?

On 12/17/17 12:15 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 09:11:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:46:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:50:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/16/17 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 15:23:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Not a chance. I've never had any respect or use for the christian right,
christian evangelicals or any religious proselytizers. In fact, I
believe religious proselytism should be illegal everywhere.

So you have stopped supporting the religious apartheid regime in the
Eastern Med now? ... cool


Say what? If you are referring to the jews, as far as I know, they do
not go looking for converts, nor do most orthodox, conservative, or
reform jews evangelize.

The place where we are talking about is a caliphate and very
unapologetic about it. If you are not Jewish, you are a second class
"resident", not even a real citizen.


You really need to grow out of the “But what about...� bull****.

If you had any consistency in your beliefs, it would not be necessary.
All of your strongly held beliefs seem to come with an "except".



Yeah, well, many things, issues, whatevers, in life come with
exceptions. Perhaps if you had followed a *disciplined* course of study
in humanities somewhere, you might know that. Your helter-skelter
education has given you little more than blinders and an intellectually
terminal case of "But what abouts"... You seem to seek perfection in
humanity and...it ain't there and never will be.


If you went to a college that never encouraged "what if" you wasted
your money. You certainly can't say you gained any critical thinking
skills. You just go in lock step with what is and never ask what
things could be.

Oh, by the way, Muslims citizens in Israel have all the rights of
citizenship, including the right to vote, the right to worship, the
right to obtain higher education, the right to practice professions and
own businesses.

"Separate but equal" That is BS



You don't know what you are talking about. Did you read an article
somewhere?

In the area of schooling (you mentioned separate but equal), kids attend
the schools their parents choose. There are four types of schools the
state schools, attended by most pupils; state Jewish religious schools,
which emphasize Jewish studies, tradition, and observance; Arab and
Druze schools, with instruction in Arabic and special focus on Arab and
Druze history, religion, and culture; and private schools, which operate
under various religious and international auspices. The reality is,
there is more "separate but equal" bull**** taking place between
orthodox and non-religious Jews in Israel.

Oh, and by the way, Israel does far better for its citizens in the area
of health care than the United States. According to Wikipedia, health
care in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance
plan is compulsory. All Israeli residents are entitled to basic health
care as a fundamental right. The Israeli healthcare system is based on
the National Health Insurance Law of 1995, which mandates all citizens
resident in the country to join one of four official health insurance
organizations, known as Kupot Holim (קופת חולי� - "Sick Funds") which
are run as not-for-profit organizations and are prohibited by law from
denying any Israeli resident membership. Israelis can increase their
medical coverage and improve their options by purchasing private health
insurance. In a survey of 48 countries in 2013, Israel's health system
was ranked fourth in the world in terms of efficiency, and in 2014 it
ranked seventh out of 51. In 2015, Israel was ranked sixth-healthiest
country in the world by Bloomberg rankings and ranked eighth in terms of
life expectancy. The United States didn't make the Top 10.

https://is.gd/zNV7Mq