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On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:36:45 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.

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On 10/9/2017 10:10 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!

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Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

My area in MA is populated with many cranberry bogs the water for which
comes from numerous natural ponds and small lakes. Some have public
launching areas for fishing boats and those looking to go water skiing.

Years ago many of the ocean going, weekend warriors who trailered their
I/O's started stopping on their way home on a small lake where we used
to spend the summers to launch their boat and roar around the lake a few
times to rinse the salt out of the engines, risers, etc.

Town put an end to that practice fast.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 09:25:51 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/17 8:08 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' ,
put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine,
and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg


You can buy a flush valve that is plumbed into the raw water line from the
drive to the engine and attach a fresh water hose. It is not rocket
science.


--
Posted with my iPad Pro


Aparently it is to you. Unless you can show me how it's done. Then
I'll give you a formal apology.


http://www.quickflushvalve.com/editorial

http://www.quickflushvalve.com/how-it-works.html

I assume this works sort of like the fresh water flush on a modern
outboard, in which you screw in a garden hose to a receptacle on the
rear or side of the engine and turn on the water, with the hose pressure
forcing the water through the engine and out through the lower unit.

I had this feature on my 2012 Mercury 60hp Big Foot outboard. I would flush it this way and then the old fashioned muff method anytime I boated in salt water.

I put 3000+ hours on my 60 big foot and it was never flushed. It did
not sit around that much either.

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:02:15 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:57:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)


===

It would be a heck of a lot easier than removing and replacing that
lower piece of cowling. That's probably necessary if you're going to
replace the gear lube however.


The plugs for the gear lube are below the cavitation plate so you can
get right at them.
I am not sure why Yamaha hides the engine drain plug behind the lower
cowl. It is not on all models. Mine is in the open, on the back of the
leg. (F70)
On the merc it was on the side but there was a hole in the cowl so you
could get to it.
I still use the suck it out method most of the time. There is no
spilling so I can do it on the lift.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.

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This is what I use:

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--manual-oil-changer-2-9-quart--11097714?recordNum=2

Probably the same thing. I think you can get them for less if you
shop around.

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:21:31 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.

===

Old joke: Do you know how to tell when a dealer is lying?

Answer: When their lips are moving.

In fairness to your dealer they may last longer in Nova Scotia because
of the cold water and short season, especially if you flush regularly.

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9:57 AMTrue North
On Monday, 9 October 2017 07:36:43 UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:
- show quoted text -
I always did this after salt water use...even with my outboards.
I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy...especially with new stuff.
....

My boats are fresh water but even after I get home I still flush em out. One small lake is loaded with algae and the boat needs the pond scum washed off anyhow so...

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

9:57 AMTrue North
On Monday, 9 October 2017 07:36:43 UTC-3, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:
- show quoted text -
I always did this after salt water use...even with my outboards.
I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy...especially with new stuff.
...

My boats are fresh water but even after I get home I still flush em out. One small lake is loaded with algae and the boat needs the pond scum washed off anyhow so...

I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-)

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...